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Old 03-24-2010, 10:40 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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No. It still mandates that they must have some kind of plan.
Which is not unconstitutional.
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Old 03-24-2010, 10:41 PM
 
Location: Midessa, Texas Home Yangzhou, Jiangsu temporarily
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Now that was one funny sentence. You'da thought that Yogi Bera had joined C-D.
You're right, that does seem kinda nonsensical. What I meant is that if the founder fathers intended for the national government to have such power then they wouldn't have designed a federal system. Good catch, I got a laugh out of that, and I love some of Yogi's quotes.
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Old 03-24-2010, 10:43 PM
 
Location: Midessa, Texas Home Yangzhou, Jiangsu temporarily
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Which is not unconstitutional.
Yes it is.
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Old 03-24-2010, 10:55 PM
 
Location: Fargo, ND
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This is not an issue....The States say they won't do it(create their own plan) and then Joe Blow of Nebraska files suit saying the federal government cannot force him to buy health insurance.
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Old 03-24-2010, 10:57 PM
 
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This is not an issue....The States say they won't do it(create their own plan) and then Joe Blow of Nebraska files suit saying the federal government cannot force him to buy health insurance.
As long as Mr. Blow can afford the legal fees and the time that it will take to litigate, that might be an option.
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Old 03-24-2010, 11:29 PM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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It is still unconstitutional.
Why? The argument can't be that the federal government can't regulate industry (in this case health insurance), the federal government has been doing that since the country was formed.
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Old 03-24-2010, 11:34 PM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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No. It still mandates that they must have some kind of plan.
Yes it does, just not the nature of the plan. Now tell me, what exactly does the "no child left beyond" act do?
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Old 03-25-2010, 12:10 AM
 
Location: Imaginary Figment
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So I guess the individual mandate is not required after all and hence the state lawsuits are essentially rubbish. A state can do without the individual mandate so long as they can achieve similar results, so now all those Republican Governors can show off their great ideas and implement their own systems! Of course, they know they can't hence the law suits.

This part of the bill is devilishly clever on the Democrats part.

"So let us review how the waiver language works now, because my reading of what we have in the bill now is, if a state can demonstrate that they can meet the criteria -- particularly on cost containment, improving the delivery system -- they can do it without an individual mandate..."

Wyden: Health Care Lawsuits Moot, States Can Opt Out Of Mandate
Just goes to show that the GOP never read it!
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Old 03-25-2010, 12:13 AM
 
Location: Earth
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It is still unconstitutional.
A statement like this without backup is still that, just a statement, albeit uninformed.

How about something to back up your assertion?
For example, where is this unconstitutional, feel free to cite sections.

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10th amendement. This a power reserved to the states, the federal government cannot mandate that it be done.

If the framers of the constitution had intended for the federal government to have this power then there would be no need for federalism, we could just have a central government with no state governments.
Please provide something other than your opinion and daily talking point showing what the framers "intended" - or were you one of them?

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No. It still mandates that they must have some kind of plan.
Again, anything specific, or simply your opinion?
Please, for the third time from me (not counting the other requests for specifics), be specific.
Your opinion doesn't mean much of anything now, does it.
You need to support your claim.
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Old 03-25-2010, 12:18 AM
 
Location: Earth
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Where does it say in the constitution, that liberals are so fond of using for their gain and benefit and "be right" arguments", that American citizens are entitled to health care?
Answer the question posed, deflection doesn't count as a response.
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