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Old 01-28-2010, 02:12 AM
 
Location: Sandpoint, Idaho
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If you have read my posts, you would note that I was glad the GOP lost the WH and control over Congress. They ran this country into the ground by deviating from their libertarian leanings and have morphed into the second-coming of Southern Dixiecrats.

I had hoped Obama and the Dems would hold power for 12 years so that the GOP would have the time to see the error in their ways and to rebuild a proper platform while the Dems had the chance to run the country into the ground.

Yet, much to my amazement, Obama has gone from one major stumble into another...so much so that he may very well be a one term President and hand oevr a Congress that might end being neutral.

There is no "change" in Obama's policies of change. Only Democratic machine Politics at its worst, i.e. by edict. His edicts do not even fake any attempt to repair institutions to operate effiiciently. Rather, his edicts are to create new institutions according to his sadly superficial understanding of institutions and law.

Attacking the S Court; high speed rail (are you kidding me?); bigger federal role in education; apologist rhetoric to our partners and enemies alike? I am incredulous. Yet, for all his butchering of both domestic and foreign policy, I am left to call into question our own crumbling sense of America.

How on earth was he elected? And what were those who voted for him thinking?

And its Obamanomics that has prompted states like Oregon to pass 66 and 67, a naked attempt to get a small group to foot the bill for years of economic hubris.

I warn America not to move toward a European style of governance. It will doom us and our children into a future of economic malaise.

The sad thing for me is that if Obama loses in 2012, the American political landscape will have lost a golden opportunity to reconstruct itself into something that can last another hundred+ years. Instead, Obama looks hell bent on returning the GOP before it has done enough introspection.

S.

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Old 01-28-2010, 04:24 AM
 
Location: Spartanburg, SC
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I'm confused -- you say you were happy that the GOP lost the WH and Congress. Then you say "what were those who voted for him thinking".

Doesn't that include you? Then tell us -- what were you thinking?
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Old 01-28-2010, 04:35 AM
 
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If you have read my posts, you would note that I was glad the GOP lost the WH and control over Congress. They ran this country into the ground by deviating from their libertarian leanings and have morphed into the second-coming of Southern Dixiecrats.

I had hoped Obama and the Dems would hold power for 12 years so that the GOP would have the time to see the error in their ways and to rebuild a proper platform while the Dems had the chance to run the country into the ground.

Yet, much to my amazement, Obama has gone from one major stumble into another...so much so that he may very well be a one term President and hand oevr a Congress that might end being neutral.
Obama's no different than Reagan or Clinton in his first year. Adopted a tough economic situation and, over time, helped to make it better. I'd be more concerned if he were extremely popular right now given the chaos we face - something would be wrong. Bush I was very popular. Bush II was because of 9/11.

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There is no "change" in Obama's policies of change. Only Democratic machine Politics at its worst, i.e. by edict. His edicts do not even fake any attempt to repair institutions to operate effiiciently. Rather, his edicts are to create new institutions according to his sadly superficial understanding of institutions and law.
I'm sorry, but a Constitutional Law professor at one of the best universities in the world, as well as editor of the Harvard Law Review, does not have a superficial understanding of institutions and law.


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Attacking the S Court; high speed rail (are you kidding me?); bigger federal role in education; apologist rhetoric to our partners and enemies alike? I am incredulous. Yet, for all his butchering of both domestic and foreign policy, I am left to call into question our own crumbling sense of America.
Supreme Court is a branch of government that helps provide checks and balances. Why would they be immune from criticism? If they were, then they would be above the other two branches. Obama is free to criticize the Supreme Court just as he is free to criticize Congress. Lest you forget how representatives have long gone after SCOTUS for being "activist"?

And what the heck is wrong with high speed rail? We can't compete with the world on one transportation infrastructure anymore! Every other nation is lightyears beyond us in that regard. That's been in the works and funded for a long time now, by the way.

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How on earth was he elected? And what were those who voted for him thinking?

Because he's a smart guy who sees the bigger picture. Not a perfect first year, but could have been worse. Clinton and Reagan had tough first years then emerged as one of the best. I expect the same from Obama.
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Old 01-28-2010, 06:14 AM
 
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If you have read my posts, you would note that I was glad the GOP lost the WH and control over Congress. They ran this country into the ground by deviating from their libertarian leanings and have morphed into the second-coming of Southern Dixiecrats.

I had hoped Obama and the Dems would hold power for 12 years so that the GOP would have the time to see the error in their ways and to rebuild a proper platform while the Dems had the chance to run the country into the ground.

Yet, much to my amazement, Obama has gone from one major stumble into another...so much so that he may very well be a one term President and hand oevr a Congress that might end being neutral.

There is no "change" in Obama's policies of change. Only Democratic machine Politics at its worst, i.e. by edict. His edicts do not even fake any attempt to repair institutions to operate effiiciently. Rather, his edicts are to create new institutions according to his sadly superficial understanding of institutions and law.

Attacking the S Court; high speed rail (are you kidding me?); bigger federal role in education; apologist rhetoric to our partners and enemies alike? I am incredulous. Yet, for all his butchering of both domestic and foreign policy, I am left to call into question our own crumbling sense of America.

How on earth was he elected? And what were those who voted for him thinking?

And its Obamanomics that has prompted states like Oregon to pass 66 and 67, a naked attempt to get a small group to foot the bill for years of economic hubris.

I warn America not to move toward a European style of governance. It will doom us and our children into a future of economic malaise.

The sad thing for me is that if Obama loses in 2012, the American political landscape will have lost a golden opportunity to reconstruct itself into something that can last another hundred+ years. Instead, Obama looks hell bent on returning the GOP before it has done enough introspection.

S.

S.
Hard to believe you are incredulous. I suspect you were not paying attention during the campaign. Or you are just pretending to be incredulous. Everything Obama said during the campaign he would do (health care reform, financial reform, clean energy, rebuiliding the country's infrastructure, pulling out of Iraq) are what he is trying to do now he is president. But because of GOP obstructionism, some of these policy initiatives may not come out exactly on time or in the form that Obama originally envisioned. But none of these policy initiatives should come as a surprise. These are why I voted for him, and these are what I fully expect him to accomplish.
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Old 01-28-2010, 06:43 AM
 
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If you have read my posts, you would note that I was glad the GOP lost the WH and control over Congress. They ran this country into the ground by deviating from their libertarian leanings and have morphed into the second-coming of Southern Dixiecrats.

I had hoped Obama and the Dems would hold power for 12 years so that the GOP would have the time to see the error in their ways and to rebuild a proper platform while the Dems had the chance to run the country into the ground.

Yet, much to my amazement, Obama has gone from one major stumble into another...so much so that he may very well be a one term President and hand oevr a Congress that might end being neutral.

There is no "change" in Obama's policies of change. Only Democratic machine Politics at its worst, i.e. by edict. His edicts do not even fake any attempt to repair institutions to operate effiiciently. Rather, his edicts are to create new institutions according to his sadly superficial understanding of institutions and law.

Attacking the S Court; high speed rail (are you kidding me?); bigger federal role in education; apologist rhetoric to our partners and enemies alike? I am incredulous. Yet, for all his butchering of both domestic and foreign policy, I am left to call into question our own crumbling sense of America.

How on earth was he elected? And what were those who voted for him thinking?

And its Obamanomics that has prompted states like Oregon to pass 66 and 67, a naked attempt to get a small group to foot the bill for years of economic hubris.

I warn America not to move toward a European style of governance. It will doom us and our children into a future of economic malaise.

The sad thing for me is that if Obama loses in 2012, the American political landscape will have lost a golden opportunity to reconstruct itself into something that can last another hundred+ years. Instead, Obama looks hell bent on returning the GOP before it has done enough introspection.

S.

S.

He IS Jimmy Carter II. He is the best thing to happen to the Republican party since Carter and may result in creating another Reagan. Obama is kind of like the "Darth Vader" of politics; the prophecy of "hope and change" will be delivered, but not in the manner that his supporters expected. Obama's "promise" will be delivered in diametrically opposite polices of his successor.
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Old 01-28-2010, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Sandpoint, Idaho
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I'm confused -- you say you were happy that the GOP lost the WH and Congress. Then you say "what were those who voted for him thinking".

Doesn't that include you? Then tell us -- what were you thinking?
Well, see , I care about the health of the United States not for the next three months, but for the next three decades. I have children who I want to grow up in a country that that allow them to reach their potential; a country that was designed with such brilliance that it should humble every single generation into wanting to make sure that regardless of temporary disputes the US as a idea and reality remain viable.

The GOP since Bush 41 is imploded into the party of misery. They dropped the ball in such a way that should embarrass all Americans leading us to two unwinnable efforts to bring democracy and civilization to two tribal countries that exist in the 18th century. Sheer idiocy. Let them earn their pathway to democracy on their own or at least until intervention is at the margin.

Once upon a time, the GOP embodied the essence of Barry Goldwater, FA Hayek, Bill Buckley, and Milton Friedman. Freedom, conservatism, and reason. It was about careful consideration of reactionary policies and legislation that might undermine the institutional bedrock upon which this country was designed, built and grew. It was about embracing the realities of the world because of the superiority of our model rather than seeking to hide in cowardice, fingerpointing and scapegoating because of our fear of other models. The soul of the GOP was about optimism and leadership.

While I did not vote for Obama neither did I endorse the the pathetic offer of a McCain-Palin administration.

The Dems--well, they are hopeless. And any gains made under Clinton (moving the Dems away from their socialist ways) have been rolled back and upended.

But the GOP, too, has lost its way. And the fissure seems pretty clear. Former Dixiecrats vs. "Western" libertarian GOP.

Both parties have lost their way and are effectively working together to destroy this country. It disgusts me. America deserves better.

This is what I have been thinking.

S.
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Old 01-28-2010, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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I did fine under Carter and I'm doing OK now. A little rampant inflation can be a real money maker if you know how to handle it.
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Old 01-28-2010, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Sandpoint, Idaho
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Hard to believe you are incredulous. I suspect you were not paying attention during the campaign. Or you are just pretending to be incredulous. Everything Obama said during the campaign he would do (health care reform, financial reform, clean energy, rebuiliding the country's infrastructure, pulling out of Iraq) are what he is trying to do now he is president. But because of GOP obstructionism, some of these policy initiatives may not come out exactly on time or in the form that Obama originally envisioned. But none of these policy initiatives should come as a surprise. These are why I voted for him, and these are what I fully expect him to accomplish.
I am incredulous. Populism on the campaign trail rarely survives into actual practice. Why not? Because the brain trust of civil servants and executives of both major parties usually pressures populism to drop most ridiculous actions. Also, since the Dems had moved toward the center since 1994, I would have thought that Obama's more crazy ideas would have been shot down. I am incredulous because I always assume that reason and pragmatism will work their magic in the end. But Geez...what a disaster!

"GOP obstruction" : the anger should be over how the GOP ever got into the position to have 60-40 Dem in the senate, a huge majority in the House, and a vacuous Dem in the Presidency. If the GOP's identity is based only on being an obstruction, then it would only confirm that it is a party in decline.

Instead, what is needed is a platform for America going forward. A vision for the future that is not ostrich-like, based on fear, or based on imposing a stone age view of the world. The Reagan years had its share of flaws. However, he offered a vision for America that remained remarkably consistent in philosophy and execution.

I see no vision for America from either major party. Just visions of incompetence. For this reason, I am incredulous at both parties.

The ills of the country do not require a degree in rocket science but in common sense!

S.
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Old 01-28-2010, 08:50 AM
 
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Actaully;so far he is worse than Carter. Carter di waste the money he has in tripling the deficit in one year for liitle results.Carter had guigher unemployemnt and inflation to fight.The hiugher inflation will come when the fed changes interest rate polices.
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Old 01-28-2010, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Sandpoint, Idaho
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Tex,
One gets the feeling that Obama thinks of the world like a college student who lives out of state. Lots of little pet projects that seem out of step with enabling a country to reach the fullest capacity of its productivity. Instead it is all about guilt, apologies, and moral/ethical programs.

I agree Carter had more excuses and a tougher road to hoe. But like Obama he operated according to a naive sense that he possessed a moral authority and like Carter has turned the Presidency into a kind of paternal bully pulpit.

The next leader is not going to come from this back of buffoons we have seen running the show in the past 18 years. I weep for the youth.

S.
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