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Old 03-30-2010, 11:56 AM
 
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yeah over time these taxes keep building up don't they....well i can see where we do need some taxes, but other taxes aren't neccesary
As they keep expanding the role of government, so they also need to expand its taxes. If we scaled back its role dramatically, we could remove most of the taxes.
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Old 03-30-2010, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
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You know I am getting tired, extremely tired of giving basic civics lessons, but once again...

The U.S. is a representative democracy. We elect those among us to do what they think is best for the country. We don't govern by plebiscite, referendum, polls, emails received, or text messaging like the government is American Idol.

Further, only the deaf, dumb and blind missed the fact that candidate Obama campaigned on enacting comprehensive healthcare reform in virtually the same manner as was recently passed. And, remember, his election wasn't even close.

Now, in 2010 the American people will have the opportunity to elect or reelect their representatives as they deem fit. If they so choose, they can vote out every Congressman and half of the U.S. Senate. They can VOTE, for candidates dedicated to repealing the present law. That is the hallmark of a representative democracy.

As for the tyranny of the majority, the Framers of the Constitution well aware of the dangers of tyranny of the majority, as a result, they enacted the Bill of Rights to provide the for the fundamental individual rights of the citizens. So spare us the tyranny bs.
Tyranny is also a government coming and confiscating personal private property without the consent of the person. Taxes are just that. This is why I love my state's TABOR law. They cannot pass taxes without the consent of the people.

The Federal government passes taxes without blinking an eye. They pass programs that cost money and raise taxes to pay for it. The force individual states to bend to their will and mandate that the states pay for their decisions in Washington. So who really pays for all this, the respective governments? No, they produce NOTHING. But the sure do take and they take at will. You pay for it with confiscatory taxes. That is the coerced taking of personal private property and that is tyranny. The federal government, in particular, has shat upon the very Constitution that they purport to uphold and defend. They are not supposed to be a King and Parliament, but they sure are turning into one.
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Old 03-30-2010, 12:22 PM
 
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As they keep expanding the role of government, so they also need to expand its taxes. If we scaled back its role dramatically, we could remove most of the taxes.
Who is this "they" and who is this "we?"
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Old 03-30-2010, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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That's exactly the case today the way Pelosi, Reid, and Obama rammed this disaster down our throats.
As they were elected by the MAJORITY of Americans to do. So if you don't want it rammed down your throat, get out of the way
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Old 03-30-2010, 12:25 PM
 
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Hogwash. Unless you live in Pelosi's district or the state of Nevada, they're not representing you in the first place.
Yes they do. While originally they used to represent the states because the states put them into Congress, not the voters, but now they do indeed represent the nation. The whole nation may not vote for them, but that doesnt mean they dont represent everyone..
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Old 03-30-2010, 12:25 PM
 
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You know I am getting tired, extremely tired of giving basic civics lessons, but once again...

The U.S. is a representative democracy. We elect those among us to do what they think is best for the country. We don't govern by plebiscite, referendum, polls, emails received, or text messaging like the government is American Idol.

Further, only the deaf, dumb and blind missed the fact that candidate Obama campaigned on enacting comprehensive healthcare reform in virtually the same manner as was recently passed. And, remember, his election wasn't even close.

Now, in 2010 the American people will have the opportunity to elect or reelect their representatives as they deem fit. If they so choose, they can vote out every Congressman and half of the U.S. Senate. They can VOTE, for candidates dedicated to repealing the present law. That is the hallmark of a representative democracy.

As for the tyranny of the majority, the Framers of the Constitution well aware of the dangers of tyranny of the majority, as a result, they enacted the Bill of Rights to provide the for the fundamental individual rights of the citizens. So spare us the tyranny bs.
what a joke. If I recall Obama told the nation that "If it's not in line with what he has proposed, he's not going to consider it"

Sounds like the words of a Tyrant to me.
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Old 03-30-2010, 12:26 PM
 
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As they were elected by the MAJORITY of Americans to do. So if you don't want it rammed down your throat, get out of the way
I'll get out of the way, soon as you tell me how thats possible.
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Old 03-30-2010, 12:27 PM
 
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As they were elected by the MAJORITY of Americans to do.
Then why such outrage from the same majority? It's obvious Obama lied.
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Old 03-30-2010, 12:28 PM
 
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I'll get out of the way, soon as you tell me how thats possible.
He doesn't know. he's just adding to his post count.
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Old 03-30-2010, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
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Yes they do. While originally they used to represent the states because the states put them into Congress, not the voters, but now they do indeed represent the nation. The whole nation may not vote for them, but that doesnt mean they dont represent everyone..
And this one of the reasons why we deperately need an Article 5, Constitutional Convention. We must repeal Article 17. The purpose of the Senate was not to be a "Super House" but that is what is has become since Article 17's passage.
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