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I don't hate Republicans. My father is a Archie Bunker type Republican and I have two God Children that both have Republican parents. One of my best friends is involved in the Tea Party. I know hundreds of Republicans.
I do however loathe their views on how things should be run in this country. It's like hating the game and not the playa.
Interesting that you grouped Tea Party with Republican, do you really believe that they are one in the same??
And how do you think they think the Country should be run?? Or do you just hate the politics of it all...
, but I do believe in helping people when they are down on their luck, through no fault of their own. So if somebody loses their job, they should not lose their house that they have lived in and raised their family in for years. We need to help them out. But I don't believe in welfare and giving out so many entitlements that it snuffs out ambition and self reliance. Let the slackers and lazy people fall if they are not willing to pick themselves up and make their own way like many of us have.
Okay, now think about these statements you've made. How do you distinguish between when someone needs to be helped out and when they are being given "entitlements"?
How do you recognize when someone truly needs a hand-up and when they're a slacker or lazy person looking for a hand-out? If someone is born into a poor neighborhood with an absentee father and a mother working two jobs, is that through some fault of their own? Do you think that America is truly meritocracy where everyone has an equal opportunity to succeed? I don't believe that, and I feel that people who have been privileged (as I have been) are far too uncaring for those who are not.
If the Left is too ready to provide a welfare state, the Right is far too ready to dismiss downtrodden, hard-working people as "lazy". The healthcare debate is totally indicative of this divide.
We are a nation where the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. The rich control the government, the mass media, and all the major corporations, and here we are crying about "Socialism". It's truly an exercise in self-defeat. I don't hate the Right. I think there are many thing which we should agree on. First and foremost is getting the interests of Big Business OUT of government.
I think the OP should wander through this thread with a video of the foul-mouthed seething hate by Bill Maher and see who thought it was brilliant and wonderful. It may point to the haters for you.
Hmmm, yet it is the liberals that always pull a race card, using blacks to further their agenda to attack.
You're pulling it right now, sweetie.
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I do not have an ignore list. Was it Machiavelli who said one should know one's enemy? I think it is rather telling when any userid with a body of work in excess of 19,000 posts only has rep of 2000. Conservative values do not resonate with the human heart. I believe people are basically liberal out of the slot. It takes either inherited wealth and/or values to craft the psyche into something resembling a pghquest or dclsd...
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I have had changing opionions on the "ignore" list. In general I agree with you about not putting people on ignore, however, one troll made me so angry that I got an infraction for responding to her, so she's on my "Ignore" list. I don't put much stock in rep, either. Some of the biggest jerks on this forum have very high reps. One of them is on my ignore list as well.
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Wrong, Maher is paid to be Maher. The stuff he says is his stuff, what he believes. Only the liberals haters love his foul mouthed hateful rants. They think his brand of hate is brilliant.
Tell me again how you can justify Ann Coulter (or should I say "hart coulter")? She is one of the most hateful people I have ever heard.
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Well I think you're confusing all Christians with the rightwing fundamentalists/reconstructionists of the South and other rural areas.
You know, lmkcin, I'd like to like you, but you have made several statements on several different threads putting down people from areas of the country outside of New England. And tell me, are there no fundamentalist Christians in NE?
Exactly right, why hate. I don't hate Republicans and I don't think a majority of Liberals do either. It is hard, however, not to be supremely frustrated with the stubborn refusal of many party Republicans not to see the humanitarian angle in an issue.
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"Humanitarian angle"? The number one job of the Federal Government is to "establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty".
Is there anything in the Constitution that says the Federal Government is to pursue "humanitarian" policies? And if so, (it does not, but if it did) why would they be shoving this so-called "health care" bill down our throats? What is "humanitarian" about it?
As far as "hate" goes, all the "hate speech" seems to come from the left and is directed toward the Republicans and Independents and any and all Ameircans who disagree with their agenda, regardless of stripes.
I would certainly call it hate. That's what it is. Have you ever listened to Obama? Pelosi? Reid? Any of them?
P.S. : "Wellfare" in the Constitution, above, does not mean "handouts", "food stamps", or any kind of government assistance. It means "well being" of the society as a whole, which means doing things that allow for prosperity, not hindering it.
Okay, now think about these statements you've made. How do you distinguish between when someone needs to be helped out and when they are being given "entitlements"?
How do you recognize when someone truly needs a hand-up and when they're a slacker or lazy person looking for a hand-out? If someone is born into a poor neighborhood with an absentee father and a mother working two jobs, is that through some fault of their own? Do you think that America is truly meritocracy where everyone has an equal opportunity to succeed? I don't believe that, and I feel that people who have been privileged (as I have been) are far too uncaring for those who are not.
If the Left is too ready to provide a welfare state, the Right is far too ready to dismiss downtrodden, hard-working people as "lazy". The healthcare debate is totally indicative of this divide.
We are a nation where the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. The rich control the government, the mass media, and all the major corporations, and here we are crying about "Socialism". It's truly an exercise in self-defeat. I don't hate the Right. I think there are many thing which we should agree on. First and foremost is getting the interests of Big Business OUT of government.
If it were easy...it would have been done already..and by the way..the rich will always get richer..they live in a different world then you and I..but they do support charities and create jobs..so let's not throw all wealthy people under the bus..I know 2 in particular who are very giving and support some very worthwhile causes...
[quote=pghquest;13522458]So now those who disagree with you are "enemies".. Thanks for proving my point that liberals rely upon hyperbold
I think most readers will understand the figurative nature of the word 'enemy' as used in that quote.
Whats so telling by this? The fact that I dont need to run around saying stuff that other posters have a need to high 5?
Hmmm... even your fellow Conservatives should find more of your body of work supportable if, in fact, it was. That is telling, very telling.
Unlike you guys, I dont need reps to validate the validity in my statements. In fact, the more reps one has, the more you post in order to pry upon emotion.
Nope. My rep had reached 200 before I even knew there was such a thing being kept track of. Nevertheless it isn't with rep in mind that I post, it is with the response uppermost. I suspect much the same is true for other outspoken left leaning posters whose ID's you well know. Why can't you see the sense in some kind of UHC. Why complain about the cost of it when no complaints were made about the cost of two wars that have yet to produce significant benefit to the American People? Why be angry or try to prevent a woman from exercising a personal choice no matter how distasteful, especially when you are in no position to offer her help with the consequences of the choice that would please you! Why support the immorallity of a single individual earning in a single year, tens of millions of dollars in income, while in that same year, casting tens of thousands of former employees to their fate because "there isn't any money to pay them with"... Conservative values do not resonate with the reality that is most American's lives. My parents were and are conservative. My father has, on occasion, crossed party lines to vote for a Republican candidate because Liberal Democrat values do not always make sense to older, stiffer, minority Americans who found everything they needed in the rampant economies of the 1950's and 1960's. Times change though but Conservatives usually do not. That is why your posts just sound like so much elitist posturing and "let them eat cake" indifference. It is lamentable rather than hateable. I don't hate my parents, I lament their inflexibility.
I prefer facts over feelings.. waaa.. Did I hurt your feelings because you surely didnt hurt mine..
I wasn't trying to hurt your feelings because I know you don't have any.
I hate the fact that both Democrats and Republicans automatically assume that the others radical side (5-10%) speaks for the more moderate side of the party. I hate radical leftists. I hate radical righties. I just hate the radical leftists a tad more. They both can jump off a bridge though.
I hate the hypocrisy espoused by both sides. Especially when that hypocrisy is practiced by someone whom is supposed to be "on my side". While I am not Johnny Church-Goer, I loathe when someone who wears their faith on their sleeve is caught doing something that is completely against their faith. Oh, yeah, "Peace be with you" during the church service, but God help you if you get in my way in the parking lot on the way out of here.
I hate the labeling done by both sides. I hate how politics is now becoming like a game where one side "wins" and the other side "loses". We are all so goddamn overly-sensitive to everything and start screaming at the other side when something doesn't go our way. I am a Republican and I don't think the US is going to go to crap because a Democrat is our President. I disagree with many of his decisions so far, but I am not going to go across the street and beat the crap out of my neighbor who is a strong Obama supporter (we actually share many lawn-care tips and have been to their house numerous times) hell, I'd have a beer with Obama this minute if I could.
I hate the segmentation of this country. What happend to just being an American? Why do Northeners look down on Southerners when many have moved from the north to the south in the past few years (me being one)? I hate the fact that people overvalue a college degree. Does that mean one with a degree is smarter than one without it? A 21-year old high-school educated farmer probably has contributed more to me rather than a 21-year old college graduate with a history, English or communications degree.
I hate the fact that we look to our supposed leaders to dictate how to live our lives. Are 2 adult gay people who want to get married in Utah really that important to you living in Georgia? So why are many of you so hell-bent on preventing them this opportunity (I'm looking at you fellow Republicans). I hate the fact that we look to government to do more for us when they barely can do anything right. These people are no better than you or I.
I hate the fact that people go into hysterics before hearing the whole story (I do this too). When people hear that a tax will go up, anarchy breaks out. Nobody likes taxes, but if you want to raise the price of coke/beer/wine by 6 cents a six-pack or bottle and can guarantee that this tax is going to be going directly to its intended purpose, I may support it. I just think the government fails to do so with the funny numbers the CBO is often provided with.
Basically, I hate the divisiveness between the two groups. We have destroyed civility and have let the media and government make our decisions for us. Neither one of our parties can honestly say that they know what the Founding Fathers wanted. I just have a feeling, what we have now isn't exactly what they were looking for. In any event, I think this is the best country in the world albeit one with flaws.
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