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Old 04-03-2010, 03:25 PM
 
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Old 04-03-2010, 03:44 PM
 
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I agree.
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Old 04-03-2010, 03:49 PM
 
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Let's hear it from the fiscal conservatives. Do you agree with health care rationing?
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Old 04-03-2010, 03:51 PM
 
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That is why this law should never have been passed to begin with. It is the patient's choice to be fiscally conservative with the medical treatment of their own body. If paitents are funding their own healthcare, as I believe we all should, we control our own destiny as it pertains to the amount of health services received. Now the government does because it dictates "acceptable treatment" to the insurance companies through the office of DHH.

We are now nothing more than statistics and numbers on a government balance sheet. We are stripped of our humanity. The whole "socialized medicine" arguement, for this reason above all others, is shameful.
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Old 04-03-2010, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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No I don't agree. That's not being fiscally conservative. When you play "God" that is something else entirely. When a panel gets to decide treatment, drugs, even if they can have it..that is stepping over the line.

And that's all I'll post on this.
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Old 04-03-2010, 03:54 PM
 
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That is why this law should never have been passed to begin with. It is the patient's choice to be fiscally conservative with the medical treatment of their own body. If they are funding their own healthcare, as I believe we all should, we control our own destiny. Now the government does because it dictates "acceptable treatment" to the insurance companies through the office of DHH.

We are now nothing more than statistics and numbers on a government balance sheet. We are stripped of our humanity. The whole "socialized medicine" arguement, for this reason above all others, is shameful.
Forget about the health care law, as this thread has nothing to do with that. I'm asking a general question here: if you are a fiscal conservative, do you support health care rationing? Do you believe this is consistent with your principles?
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Old 04-03-2010, 03:58 PM
 
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No I don't agree. That's not being fiscally conservative. When you play "God" that is something else entirely. When a panel gets to decide treatment, drugs, even if they can have it..that is stepping over the line.

And that's all I'll post on this.
Are you saying fiscal conservatism stops when dealing with matters of life and death? Fiscal conservatives become free-spending liberals when they or their loved ones' lives are on the line?
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Old 04-03-2010, 04:02 PM
 
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Health care rationing meets the definition of fiscal conservatism. Fiscal conservatives advocate the rational utilization of scarce resources. They advocate not spending money you don't have. So, I would expect fiscal conservatives to be the first to pull the plug on your 100 year old grandma who has Alzheimer's, is destitute, and is a drain on taxpayers' money.
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Old 04-03-2010, 04:02 PM
 
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Forget about the health care law, as this thread has nothing to do with that. I'm asking a general question here: if you are a fiscal conservative, do you support health care rationing? Do you believe this is consistent with your principles?
It has everything to do with government control over healthcare and medical treatment resources. To eliminate the source of who is paying for the healthcare (government or patient) from the discussion is intellectually dishonest.

What I do with my own money is one thing. What the government does with my tax dollars is quite another. The control of the power of life/death over the law abiding taxpayer via medical resource by the government and the government alone is unacceptable.
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Old 04-03-2010, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Are you saying fiscal conservatism stops when dealing with matters of life and death? Fiscal conservatives become free-spending liberals when they or their loved ones' lives are on the line?
Not when it's rationed and not when the decision is made by someone else or a panel.

Your question was about rationing..self-rationing or being rationed ?
Self-rationing is YOU making that decision for yourself otherwise it's a person or panel playing GOD and deciding who gets it and who doesn't.
Think corruption/greed won't work it's way into that panel ?

That's why I'm totally against it from the start.
Don't even go there I say.

Hitler rationed didn't he ? But it didn't start out like that did it ?
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