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Old 04-05-2010, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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I was watching Morning Joe this morning, and sure enough, the new bill does give fines, but you don't have to pay them.

I'll have to find the page, but its around 300, but the bill prohibits the IRS from garnishing your wages, your savings, or any of your assets to pay the healthcare fine, if you don't have insurance.

This is the first bill in history, to pass a fine, that you don't have to pay. Its akin to driving as fast as you want, you'll get a ticket, but you don't have to pay it.

The IRS can take your tax return, but, if you file where you have to pay in every year, there is no refund to with hold.
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Old 04-05-2010, 08:12 AM
 
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I was watching Morning Joe this morning, and sure enough, the new bill does give fines, but you don't have to pay them.

I'll have to find the page, but its around 300, but the bill prohibits the IRS from garnishing your wages, your savings, or any of your assets to pay the healthcare fine, if you don't have insurance.

This is the first bill in history, to pass a fine, that you don't have to pay. Its akin to driving as fast as you want, you'll get a ticket, but you don't have to pay it.

The IRS can take your tax return, but, if you file where you have to pay in every year, there is no refund to with hold.
If you don't pay fines you will be jailed. it's their option not yours.
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Old 04-05-2010, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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If you don't pay fines you will be jailed. it's their option not yours.
No, its not.

In the original Senate bill, before it passed, there was wording in there to indicate that.

HOWEVER, that changed, and has been watered down due to political pressure.

Read the bill that just passed the house last week. There is no prosecution, and no way for the federal government to levy the fine against you. They have no teeth.

Quit trying to scare people
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Old 04-05-2010, 08:18 AM
 
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If you don't pay fines you will be jailed. it's their option not yours.
That is not true. Where in the bill does it say that you will go to jail for not paying the fine? Please do tell.
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Old 04-05-2010, 08:22 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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No, its not.

In the original Senate bill, before it passed, there was wording in there to indicate that.

HOWEVER, that changed, and has been watered down due to political pressure.

Read the bill that just passed the house last week. There is no prosecution, and no way for the federal government to levy the fine against you. They have no teeth.

Quit trying to scare people
Kind of reinforces the upcoming lack of funding for this bill. Without a way to pay for it, why bother to pass it? Just another reason to raise taxes and attempt to gain more control over the people?

You just have to love, from what you say, an unfunded bill.
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Old 04-05-2010, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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Please give the exact location of this language. It would be comforting to know we won't go to jail but I don't trust this bill at all.
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Old 04-05-2010, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Please give the exact location of this language. It would be comforting to know we won't go to jail but I don't trust this bill at all.
I'm driving now, hard to surf while driving.

The commentator showed the place in the bill, it was in the 300's as far as pages go. I believe it was in the "fix it" bill that just passed the house last week.

If someone else can find it, I'd appreciate it, otherwise, I'll have to wait until I'm sitting still to find the exact page.

Morning Joe won't have transcripts available until tomorrow for todays show.

The jist of it was, they can fine you, but they can't levy fines against your property, or bank accounts to pay for it. You also can't be denied any services (SSI, Medicare, etc) if you don't pay the fines.

It has no teeth, none whatsoever.
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Old 04-05-2010, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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I'm driving now, hard to surf while driving.

The commentator showed the place in the bill, it was in the 300's as far as pages go. I believe it was in the "fix it" bill that just passed the house last week.

If someone else can find it, I'd appreciate it, otherwise, I'll have to wait until I'm sitting still to find the exact page.

Morning Joe won't have transcripts available until tomorrow for todays show.
Don't surf and drive. Not worth risking your life or someone elses life.
When you are sitting down, please post the source. It is important information.
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Old 04-05-2010, 08:33 AM
 
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No, its not.

In the original Senate bill, before it passed, there was wording in there to indicate that.

HOWEVER, that changed, and has been watered down due to political pressure.

Read the bill that just passed the house last week. There is no prosecution, and no way for the federal government to levy the fine against you. They have no teeth.

Quit trying to scare people
post your facts and quit trying to lie to people.
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Old 04-05-2010, 08:35 AM
 
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I'm driving now, hard to surf while driving.

The commentator showed the place in the bill, it was in the 300's as far as pages go. I believe it was in the "fix it" bill that just passed the house last week.

If someone else can find it, I'd appreciate it, otherwise, I'll have to wait until I'm sitting still to find the exact page.

Morning Joe won't have transcripts available until tomorrow for todays show.

The jist of it was, they can fine you, but they can't levy fines against your property, or bank accounts to pay for it. You also can't be denied any services (SSI, Medicare, etc) if you don't pay the fines.

It has no teeth, none whatsoever.
NO YOU FIND IT! you got time to surf, drive and type.

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