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Old 04-07-2010, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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His mother took him out of Cuba without his father's knowledge. So you are saying once she died Elian should have been kept from his own father? Because....we don't like Cuba? I guess if you are a Cuban father, you rights should not be respected by the family values crowd?
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Old 04-07-2010, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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Just about every year the newspapers are filled with some story of a noncustodial parent snatching a kid away from the parent with legal custody and fleeing to another country. When the kid is kidnapped out of the United States and to a foreign country there's always an uproar demanding to bring the kid back. If I recall correctly, there was just such a case involving a kid taken to Brazil late in 2009, and one of the American TV networks paid for the father to fly down to get him. Heartwarming story about the reunification of a parent and child who were wrongfully separated, then it goes away.

That's just what this case was. You conservatives would be well advised to drop the idea that you're entitled to determine how every child, everywhere in the world, should be raised.
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Old 04-07-2010, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Center of the universe
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Just about every year the newspapers are filled with some story of a noncustodial parent snatching a kid away from the parent with legal custody and fleeing to another country. When the kid is kidnapped out of the United States and to a foreign country there's always an uproar demanding to bring the kid back. If I recall correctly, there was just such a case involving a kid taken to Brazil late in 2009, and one of the American TV networks paid for the father to fly down to get him. Heartwarming story about the reunification of a parent and child who were wrongfully separated, then it goes away.

That's just what this case was. You conservatives would be well advised to drop the idea that you're entitled to determine how every child, everywhere in the world, should be raised.

That's right. Whether the right-wing exiles and other conservatives believe it or not, this was nothing more than a father wanting his son back.
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Old 04-07-2010, 10:41 AM
 
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That's right. Whether the right-wing exiles and other conservatives believe it or not, this was nothing more than a father wanting his son back.
Yet they call themselves the party of "family values"
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Old 04-07-2010, 11:38 AM
 
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That's right. Whether the right-wing exiles and other conservatives believe it or not, this was nothing more than a father wanting his son back.

I am a right-wing psychopath, or at least that is what I am told here, and I completely agree with you.

Its not like the kid was going back to a firing squad. I think Clinton and Reno did the right thing. We are not in the business of enabling the disruption of families, even those that reside under less than savory governments, which Cuba most certainly has.

There, I said it.
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Old 04-07-2010, 11:46 AM
 
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Liberals are crazy. You all know damn well that every single liberal in this country wanted that kid to stay. If you didn't then you are not what you say you are and have no compassion at all for someone who wants to flee an oppressed nation and become somebody. You are all saying the opposite now because the right came out in support of the kid staying here, you guys just HAVE to have the opposing view even if it isn't what you really believe. Seriously people, who takes people like that seriously anymore? It's all a hilarious joke, that's all it has become. It must really be embarrasing to act like that.
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Old 04-07-2010, 11:55 AM
 
Location: just here
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Liberals are crazy. You all know damn well that every single liberal in this country wanted that kid to stay. If you didn't then you are not what you say you are and have no compassion at all for someone who wants to flee an oppressed nation and become somebody. You are all saying the opposite now because the right came out in support of the kid staying here, you guys just HAVE to have the opposing view even if it isn't what you really believe. Seriously people, who takes people like that seriously anymore? It's all a hilarious joke, that's all it has become. It must really be embarrasing to act like that.
Dude, the kid didn't flee Cuba, his mother did & he happened to be w/her, geez. Personally, I thought the kid should've stayed here.....because guess what? I'm a liberal, that's what us liberals support. Course, the conservatives LOATHE immigrants & now they're all talking "we should've given him asylum" & "it's Clinton's fault!" & the kid never should've been sent back?? That my friend is a load of BS & you know it.
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Old 04-07-2010, 11:58 AM
 
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I have some friends who are pretty conservative, not sure if you can call them right wing, but conservative, consistently voting Republican and in line with most of the GOP platform. Almost all of them wanted Elian reunited with his father. One of my friends was so furious with the cuban exile community calling them "Gusanos" stating that no one has a right to take a child away from his father. I have to agree.
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Old 04-07-2010, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Inis Fada
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That's right. Whether the right-wing exiles and other conservatives believe it or not, this was nothing more than a father wanting his son back.
Nevermind any wings...this was certainly about a father asserting his custodial rights, and the US had no business interfering. True, he would have had the chance of a better life and freedom here in the US, but it was the father's desire to keep his son with him.

Out of curiosity: How do we know that Elian's father wasn't promised a better standard of living (when compared to his fellow Cubans) for insisting his son be returned to Cuba? That he wasn't controlled by Castro and his government in order to create this fracas with the US Government?
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Old 04-07-2010, 12:01 PM
 
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we had no right to keep a son from his father, we did the right thing to send him back to his homeland and his father.
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