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Where are the jobs for these "more educated" people at? Jobs must first be available. The people who already have jobs aren't going to volunteer to join the unemployment line so a "more educated" person can fill his or her position.
Just think about the reasons why so many people from third world countries around the world immigrate to the US. A real poor person without a "paying job" in Mexico would be more than willing to crash our border to earn some money in the US.
We have a program in my state called 'No Worker Left Behind' where people who have lost jobs that aren't coming back are taking classes to retool themselves for other types of work. Are you calling this kind of EDUCATION a waste of money? What are these people suppose to do without it? There isn't any part of the country they can move to to get the kind of work they've been doing? The stimulus is paying for this program and the classes all have to be in growth fields.
creating an underclass. By doing handing out certain things to people he is giving the poor enough they need to be comfortable. For example if they create another tier for UE, this is stopping people from looking for work. They are waiting in limbo for the govt. Thats just one example.
Here is MY QUESTION, WHY would he want to create an underclass????? I dont understand why someone would want to do this? Thanks! ANd this post is not about RUSH bashing, because I mostly agree with RUSH, but on this point I dont understand why the government would want to do this???
Ignore the hussein obama sheep. Even if he lies right to them they suck it up like pablum and make excuses why he lies. If you research hussein obama's criminal, communists, marxists, socialists buddies and his love of Alinsky's Rules for Radials, they not only want to destroy America, they need to destroy America to further their agenda for power. They need to make as many as possible be dependent on the government. It's what every dictator did and hussein obama is a lover of some of the worst dictators in history. He even honored the most murderous dictator Mao, killing over 70 milliim, by hanging ornaments of him on the white house christmas tree.
The left and their messiah hussein obama would not support more taxes when so many are out of work or have lost or are losing their homes if they cared one bit about the poor. Words, hollow words is all you can expect from the left. Like hussein obama they will say anything, knowing there are still fools out there that will believe them.
We have a program in my state called 'No Worker Left Behind' where people who have lost jobs that aren't coming back are taking classes to retool themselves for other types of work. Are you calling this kind of EDUCATION a waste of money? What are these people suppose to do without it? There isn't any part of the country they can move to to get the kind of work they've been doing? The stimulus is paying for this program and the classes all have to be in growth fields.
Education is never a waste of money.
But some people, even educated people, cannot find the means to escape poverty. There is a limit to the number of well-paying jobs in a society, but no limit to the number of people seeking those jobs. Some people will always be denied those jobs, and while education is an advantage, it's not enough of an advantage to always secure a person a well-paying job.
We have a program in my state called 'No Worker Left Behind' where people who have lost jobs that aren't coming back are taking classes to retool themselves for other types of work. Are you calling this kind of EDUCATION a waste of money? What are these people suppose to do without it? There isn't any part of the country they can move to to get the kind of work they've been doing? The stimulus is paying for this program and the classes all have to be in growth fields.
When did I say that learning another skill is a waste of money? What I said is that money is the primary factor to come out of poverty, not an education.
You want someone to answer your question without questioning Limbaugh's logic? Why even ask the question if you're just going to blindly believe everything he says?
Obama doesn't want to create an underclass. An underclass already exists, and he's trying (whether he's effective or not is another question) to help them. Limbaugh's comment is incorrect, and presumes he knows what Obama's administration "wants". If I had to guess, however, I'd say he's alluding to the mythical connection between Obama and the Cloward-Piven strategy, which I'll let you look up for yourself.
I don't care for Cloward - Piven words, either. However, I see their strategy being followed completely these days. I blame Pelosi and Reid as much as Obama but I think that Beck is very right about Obama being a socialist along with those other two.
I really believe that another class is being constructed on purpose in order to make more perpetual votes from those who are helped at the expense of the tax payers. Just look at who is going to get to pay heavier and heavier taxes as the Dems spend more and more.
Maybe the nation can be saved by the upcoming election but there is no proof of that yet.
creating an underclass. By doing handing out certain things to people he is giving the poor enough they need to be comfortable. For example if they create another tier for UE, this is stopping people from looking for work. They are waiting in limbo for the govt. Thats just one example.
Here is MY QUESTION, WHY would he want to create an underclass????? I dont understand why someone would want to do this? Thanks! ANd this post is not about RUSH bashing, because I mostly agree with RUSH, but on this point I dont understand why the government would want to do this???
I also wholeheartedly disagree with Rush, he has obviously never tried to survive on unemployment or it was so long ago he doesn't remember how tough it is.
My unemployment is less than 25% of what I used to make. I lost my home, have had to cash out my 401K that tanked and lost more than 60% of it's value since the economy tanked, and have had to live with relatives.
You think anyone in their right mind would chose this over working? Well in the words of John Boehner, HELL NO WE DON'T
So, the answer to your question is, NO ONE WOULD WANT TO DO THIS.
But considering the source, I seriously doubt it is happening.
Think about it before you dismiss it out of hand, please...
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Originally Posted by RayinAK
Where are the jobs for these "more educated" people at? Jobs must first be available. The people who already have jobs aren't going to volunteer to join the unemployment line so a "more educated" person can fill his or her position.
Just think about the reasons why so many people from third world countries around the world immigrate to the US. A real poor person without a "paying job" in Mexico would be more than willing to crash our border to earn some money in the US.
OK, I answered your post prematurely, I suppose. Not that what I said previously doesn't apply.
Now, about the "immigrant" situation. I can talk about that one in some depth. I live just a few miles from the Mexican border. I have friends who work for the Border Patrol. A few years ago, I worked in Mexico myself, at one of the American "twin plants" directly across the border that hire a Mexican workforce. So I'm on the "front line" on this one.
You hit the nail right on the head when you said that 3rd world workers will come to America to work for peanuts. The peanuts they get here is a MUCH bigger paycheck than they can get back home. And the American corporations who (knowingly, in almost all cases) hire these illegals do it precisely to undercut the US workforce.
Like me, I'm sure you've heard that BS about, "Well, these people do the jobs that American workers won't."
That's a flat-out lie. American workers won't do those jobs for below minimum wage, which is what these guys pay their illegals.
Any one out there who still isn't aware that our illegal immigrant situation is not a huge corporate welfare program is simply blind to reality. The corporations pay the illegals little, while the taxpayer supports their kids in schools, pays for their healthcare in hospital emergency rooms and subsidizes their diet with food stamps.
All this so the corporate fatcats can enjoy a bigger piece of the pie while turning their backs on the American workforce.
Now there's something to hold a tea party over. There's something that costs us taxpayers billions. Why don't the nutball radio talking heads ever mention this? Is it because they're in the pockets of corporate interests too, maybe?
One tenet of conservative thought is that handouts like welfare and unemployment benefits become addictive to the recipients. The thinking goes that recipients lose their will to work or achieve, finding it easier to mooch off the working public. This group of chronically unemployed / unemployable is the so-called "underclass" of people who become a constituency that some politicians seek to curry favor with by continuing to enable the mooching.
Though some politicians may pander to this so-called underclass, I don't believe Obama seeks to create a larger underclass. At most he seeks to help them find a way out of their poverty and become contributing members of society.
Mike, if you are right here can you tell me why Obama surrounded himself with all those far left people? I believe he is doing what they want done because he wants it also. I am not sure that he isn't trying to be the first 3rd term President since the passage of the amendment that outlawed that to keep Truman from doing it.
But some people, even educated people, cannot find the means to escape poverty. There is a limit to the number of well-paying jobs in a society, but no limit to the number of people seeking those jobs. Some people will always be denied those jobs, and while education is an advantage, it's not enough of an advantage to always secure a person a well-paying job.
Thanks, That's exactly what I have meant to say.
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That aside, it seems that government jobs, instead of private sector jobs, are on the increase in most places. But if the national unemployment continues as usual, a lot of people will just continue receiving unemployment compensation, since these are more financially rewarding than working at minimum wage.
Maybe that was what Rush was referring to? I have no idea since I was not listening to Rush then. I am only assuming.
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Think about it before you dismiss it out of hand, please...
