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Old 04-08-2010, 02:31 PM
 
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NAFTA was a product of Wiliam Jeffferson Clinton. Call him up and ask him why he didn't believe Republican's when they protested that jobs would be lost to Mexico.
Nice try, but not only do you not get a cigar...

In 1988 [I believe this was the era of Ronald Reagan catto] Canada and the United States signed the Canada-United States Free Trade Agreement after the US Congress approved implementing legislation. The American government then entered into negotiations with the Mexican government for a similar treaty, and Canada asked to join the negotiations in order to preserve its perceived gains under the 1988 deal.[1] The international climate at the time favoured expanding trade blocs, and the Maastricht Treaty which created the European Union was signed in 1992.

Following diplomatic negotiations dating back to 1991 between the three nations, the leaders met in San Antonio, Texas, on December 17, 1992, to sign NAFTA. U.S. President George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney and Mexican President Carlos Salinas, each responsible for spearheading and promoting the agreement, ceremonially signed it. The agreement then needed to be ratified by each nation's legislative or parliamentary branch.
Before the negotiations were finalized, Bill Clinton came into office in the U.S. and Kim Campbell in Canada, and before the agreement became law, Jean Chrétien had taken office in Canada.
North American Free Trade Agreement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 04-08-2010, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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btw, the reason I dont know these questions is in my past I was too stoned. Now that I am sober I need to learn about the past. So dont call me an idiot for not knowing who started Nafta, I think it was the first bush right?? So these Republicans now to me look like hypocrites crying we need to create jobs when they gave them away if they started nafta? Did they not know what they were doing? Why did they do this??????
Because "free trade" is good (for the uber wealthy) and unions are bad (for the uberwealthy). . . .maybe the Republicans didn't start out with that kind of attitude, but they sure have adopted it.
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Old 04-08-2010, 02:34 PM
 
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Because "free trade" is good (for the uber wealthy) and unions are bad (for the uberwealthy). . . .maybe the Republicans didn't start out with that kind of attitude, but they sure have adopted it.
can you explain this better , explain it for a 10 year old. Thanks
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Old 04-08-2010, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Nice try, but not only do you not get a cigar...
In 1988 [I believe this was the era of Ronald Reagan catto] Canada and the United States signed the Canada-United States Free Trade Agreement after the US Congress approved implementing legislation. The American government then entered into negotiations with the Mexican government for a similar treaty, and Canada asked to join the negotiations in order to preserve its perceived gains under the 1988 deal.[1] The international climate at the time favoured expanding trade blocs, and the Maastricht Treaty which created the European Union was signed in 1992.

Following diplomatic negotiations dating back to 1991 between the three nations, the leaders met in San Antonio, Texas, on December 17, 1992, to sign NAFTA. U.S. President George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney and Mexican President Carlos Salinas, each responsible for spearheading and promoting the agreement, ceremonially signed it. The agreement then needed to be ratified by each nation's legislative or parliamentary branch.
Before the negotiations were finalized, Bill Clinton came into office in the U.S. and Kim Campbell in Canada, and before the agreement became law, Jean Chrétien had taken office in Canada.
North American Free Trade Agreement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
NAFTA actually goes back further than 1988. The GOP began putting together the Free-Trade Agreement that Reagan signed in 1988 back in 1984. NAFTA is entirely a GOP creation which Reagan, Bush Sr., AND Clinton supported.
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Old 04-08-2010, 02:39 PM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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Because "free trade" is good (for the uber wealthy) and unions are bad (for the uberwealthy). . . .maybe the Republicans didn't start out with that kind of attitude, but they sure have adopted it.
That could be partly true. However, aren't Americans buying the cheap things to blame for the "bad" results of free trade? I mean it is silly for people to whine about free trade with foreign nations when they have all of those "evil" products in their own home.
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Old 04-08-2010, 02:50 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Look at what Bill Clinton did with the WTO World Trade Organization, formerly GATT.

Trade tariffs would be a thing of the past to equalize the world economies.
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Old 04-08-2010, 03:03 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I did not know that!!!

You know this one really confuses me because my Dad who is smart says please no bashing that Nafta is good. He says that open trade is good and that the unions are the problem. So Im confused on this one. I have a hard time finding the truth and making my own decisions. I am sorry I come here to ask you people for advise. I should do more reasearch first now that I am sober. Its just hard figuring out the right answers that make sense to me.

Would you works 10 hour days for $8 a day?

Would you let your child be force to work and work cheaper than the $8 a day?

Union or not, your not going to be able to compete with that and afford the cost of things you need.
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Old 04-08-2010, 03:08 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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NAFTA was a product of Wiliam Jeffferson Clinton. Call him up and ask him why he didn't believe Republican's when they protested that jobs would be lost to Mexico.

You're almost half right. Clinton signed it into law early in his first term. The NAFTA Treaty itself was formulated and negotiated by Daddy Bush.

Following diplomatic negotiations dating back to 1991 between the three nations, the leaders met in San Antonio, Texas, on December 17, 1992, to sign NAFTA. U.S. President George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney and Mexican President Carlos Salinas, each responsible for spearheading and promoting the agreement, ceremonially signed it. The agreement then needed to be ratified by each nation's legislative or parliamentary branch.

North American Free Trade Agreement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 04-08-2010, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Neither here nor there
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NAFTA is the brainchild of globalists, who can be either left or right, working with Europe to create an open border marketplace similar to the old European Common Market (which has now evolved into the European Union, with its own governing body and its own currency). The move toward easing restrictions on global trade has long been a goal of the wealthiest world power brokers and incremental steps have been moving us toward global free markets for decades. It's complicated and everyone has a different take on what is happening in the world and what has happened that got us to this point.

If you really want to educate yourself I suggest you read, read, read and not rely on the opinions expressed here on CD and the bits and pieces of historical info that gets dropped into the posts. A good place to start might be to just Google "history of NAFTA" and see what comes up. Good luck.
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Old 04-08-2010, 03:28 PM
 
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Nice try, but not only do you not get a cigar...
In 1988 [I believe this was the era of Ronald Reagan catto] Canada and the United States signed the Canada-United States Free Trade Agreement after the US Congress approved implementing legislation. The American government then entered into negotiations with the Mexican government for a similar treaty, and Canada asked to join the negotiations in order to preserve its perceived gains under the 1988 deal.[1] The international climate at the time favoured expanding trade blocs, and the Maastricht Treaty which created the European Union was signed in 1992.

Following diplomatic negotiations dating back to 1991 between the three nations, the leaders met in San Antonio, Texas, on December 17, 1992, to sign NAFTA. U.S. President George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney and Mexican President Carlos Salinas, each responsible for spearheading and promoting the agreement, ceremonially signed it. The agreement then needed to be ratified by each nation's legislative or parliamentary branch.
Before the negotiations were finalized, Bill Clinton came into office in the U.S. and Kim Campbell in Canada, and before the agreement became law, Jean Chrétien had taken office in Canada.
North American Free Trade Agreement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Then you should take that up with Bill and ask him why he credits it to one of his great successes if it were a truly solid Republican achievement.
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