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Old 04-11-2010, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The Faux news story falsely leads one to the conclusion that the state would require unisex bathroom and gym facilities. That's totally false. The State seems to be moving forward on the proposition that a person who has a sex reassignment should use the facilities appropriate to their current gender -- seems reasonable to reasonable people.
Not physical gender though. He's still physically a boy.

And..just what if, at 12, he's only going through a stage ?
Would you classify all girls who are tomboys "a boy" ?
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Old 04-11-2010, 01:23 PM
 
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Not physical gender though. He's still physically a boy.
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And..just what if, at 12, he's only going through a stage ? Would you classify all girls who are tomboys "a boy" ?
Try asking.
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Old 04-11-2010, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Link?
Try asking.
Try the OP link..there's nothing about a physical sex change..this is their psychological gender identity, not their physical one.

"..12-year-old transgender boy by denying him access to the girls' bathroom.."

and

"The commission's proposal reads: "Transgender students must be allowed access to the bathrooms that correspond to their gender identity or expression or, if they prefer, to existing single-stall bathrooms."
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Old 04-11-2010, 02:09 PM
 
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Try the OP link..there's nothing about a physical sex change..this is their psychological gender identity, not their physical one.

"..12-year-old transgender boy by denying him access to the girls' bathroom.."

and

"The commission's proposal reads: "Transgender students must be allowed access to the bathrooms that correspond to their gender identity or expression or, if they prefer, to existing single-stall bathrooms."
It doesn't say one way or the other about a physical transformation. And again reasonable people will find Maine has a reasonable position. Gender identity is the key.
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Old 04-11-2010, 11:40 PM
 
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It doesn't say one way or the other about a physical transformation. And again reasonable people will find Maine has a reasonable position. Gender identity is the key.
A reasonable person would realize that 12 year children don't have sex change operations, and conclude that he is in fact a BOY who feels like a girl.

Yes, gender identity is the key ... and it should be quite evident to most how to tell the difference between males and females. .... hint: you don't need a questionnaire or psychological assessment.
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Old 04-12-2010, 07:53 AM
 
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Actually, a lot of kinky stuff happens in private school. Seriously, I know..
Oh I don't deny that it occurs from time to time, but public schools are consistent with it. Private schools must answer to the parents in that if they start dropping the ball, parents take their money elsewhere. Public schools really don't have to answer to anyone. They dictate to the public as they see fit.
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Old 04-12-2010, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Maine
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I am surprised this has become an issue lately as this incedent occured in 2007. I have posted the link previously but, sometimes things get lost in a thread.
State rules in favor of young transgender - Bangor Daily News (http://www.bangordailynews.com/detail/109732.html - broken link)
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The discrimination in question first occurred in October 2007 when the child was in the fifth grade at Asa Adams School. Until then, she was allowed to use the girls’ bathroom, although she was biologically male. But that fall, the transgender child was followed into the girls room by a male student who had “previously started to harass her by stalking her and calling her ‘******,’” according to the Maine Human Rights Commission investigator’s report.

After the second such episode, the boy was suspended and removed from the transgender child’s class. At that point, school officials told the transgender child that she had to use a single-stall faculty bathroom at the other end of the school, and that was when her parents decided to take the matter to the Maine Human Rights Commission.
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Old 04-12-2010, 10:47 AM
 
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Having reread both the local story and the Fox story, here is what is presented:

1.)The Maine Human Rights Commission, comprised of 5 Unelected People, has created a document called, "Sexual Orientation in Schools and Colleges: A Guide for Schools to Address Acommodating Transgender Students.

2.)This guide recommends that schools allow transgender students to use the bathrooms, play on sports teams and follow the dress codes of the "gender they identify with."

3.)Schools who violate the guidelines may be subject to legal action.

4.)The Commission held a Public Meeting in which the "public" were not "allowed" to speak or ask questions. Instead, the Commission asked "select groups of stakeholders" for comment but did not allow public comments.

5.)Regardless of what the Commission allowed, some of the public present at the meeting spoke up and angry words were exchanged.

6.)The Commission decided to postpone making the decision regarding giving advice to the schools on how to accommodate Transgenders.

7.)A representative stated that when a date, time and location is decided for the next meeting it will be better publicised.

I believe the above statements are representative of both the Fox and the local (Bangor) stories.

Additionally, the Fox story provided the following:

A.)The Commission held a previous workshop in December to draft their proposal. Representatives from several Gay and Lesbian Rights Groups participated in this meeting. However the Maine Christian Civic League was not invited nor notified of the workshop.

B.)The Director of Equal Opportunity at University of Maine has expressed concerns with the schools' inability to ask for "proof" of sexual orientation, when allowing Transgenders these rights.


I believe this is an important issue; not one to be taken lightly or swept under the table. If you have a strong opinion about this and care about the outcome, I recommend you stay abreast of what is happening. This is not isolated.
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Old 04-12-2010, 01:37 PM
 
Location: California
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Oh I don't deny that it occurs from time to time, but public schools are consistent with it. Private schools must answer to the parents in that if they start dropping the ball, parents take their money elsewhere. Public schools really don't have to answer to anyone. They dictate to the public as they see fit.
That's the problem. Public schools would answer to parents too if parents were involved. I've seen some knock down drag out school board meetings in my highly ranked district. I don't know where people get the idea that they have no input. The bottom line is that THEY DO have to answer to someone but first people have to ask the questions. The real problem with public schools is that everyone is busy with their own life and thinks "other people" will deal with it.
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Old 04-12-2010, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Well I guess word is getting around. Houston Texas city employees can use whatever bathroom they want..it's their transgender right.

So next time you're in Houston and need to use the loo..don't be surprised at who you find in there.


Houston mayor allows transgendered - WALB.com News, Weather and Sports for Albany, Valdosta and Thomasville. Leading the way for South Georgia. |
"The new policy means that transgendered city employees can now use city restrooms and other facilities based on their gender identity.
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In response to criticism from the Houston Area Pastor Council, Parker issued a statement on Tuesday.

"We are simply codifying, putting in writing, what has been the city's long-standing practice; we do not discriminate," she said.
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"Forcing women, in particular, using city facilities to be subjected to cross-dressing men invading their privacy is beyond the pale and offensive to every standard of decency," said Pastor Steve Riggle, senior pastor of Grace Community Church and an executive committee member of HAPC."
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