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Old 04-14-2010, 06:37 AM
 
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Limbaugh's word is second only to God's... to the neocons anyway.
So you do not have a rebuttal..thought so.
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Old 04-14-2010, 06:46 AM
 
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So you do not have a rebuttal..thought so.
There are four pages of factual rebuttals....try reading...it's your friend.
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Old 04-14-2010, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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There are four pages of factual rebuttals....try reading...it's your friend.
They are conditioned, reading anything but NewsMax or WorldNutDaily will cause their heads to explode
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Old 04-14-2010, 08:38 AM
 
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what does union or non union have to do with all the saftey laws in place
As another poster wrote, with unions there are generally weekly JOINT SAFETY MEETINGS and the STRENGTH OF NUMBERS gives the workers some power to counteract the FINANCIAL POWER of the owner to BUY JUDGES.

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ever heard of OSHA? where ere they? the owners and OSHA will have some splaining to do but accidents do happen.
Actually in mining it's MSHA, but I get your point. The point is that Massey has always forced strong APPEALS against MSHA findings, which has the effect of those infractions NOT SHOWING UP in the official record. This has the effect of making MSHA unable to FORCE CLOSURE of the mine because there is "no clear pattern" of infractions.

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to early to be placing blame
Let's say that you are considering taking a flight from NY to LA. You have two choices of airlines, one has a accident/fatality rate FIVE TIMES HIGHER THAN THE OTHER, but they are a bit cheaper. Which carrier is going to get your business?

Or let's say that you are an insurance carrier. Two drivers apply for you to insure them. One has no accidents of tickets in the last 10 years. The other has 6 speeding tickets, 3 other moving violations, 4 "fix-it" tickets and 2 DUIs in the same time. Which driver will you chose to insure, or give the preferential rate to?

While there may not be a specific "blame" to be fixed, there definitely is a pattern of safety violations as well as the owner's PUBLIC STATEMENTS regarding safety and miners.
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Old 04-14-2010, 09:23 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Default Limbaugh Wonders ‘Where Was The Union’ At Mine Disaster

That statement just proves that instead of being prepared and getting himself informed before he sits down in front of his "golden microphone", Limbaugh just "mails it in".

Of course, when so much of your schtick involves just making stuff up in the first place, facts aren't an important consideration.

Megadittos!

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Old 04-14-2010, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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So you do not have a rebuttal..thought so.
Well, four pages of rebuttals haven't worked on you... like I said, his words are second to only God's to many.
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Old 04-14-2010, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Actually, It was Blankenship who was counting his money in his office. He knew as a corporation he could not be prosecuted and he didn't care about putting the lives of the miners at risk. This is the real business he is in.


Almost no one is laughing about this except YOU, dcsldcd.
Maybe not for long:

"The CtW Investment Group sent a letter to Massey's board of directors Monday afternoon demanding Blankenship's resignation in the wake of the disastrous explosion at the company's Upper Big Branch Mine in West Virginia."

Don Blankenship: Investors, Politicians Begin Calling For Massey Head To Resign
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Old 04-14-2010, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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what does union or non union have to do with all the saftey laws in place ever heard of OSHA? where were they? the owners and OSHA will have some splaining to do but accidents do happen. to early to be placing blame, if there is any.with all the deaths on our roads every year this is small. were they all non union drivers and passengers?
This:

""(This) is another series of fatalities at another non-union mine. I can absolutely say that if these miners were members of a union, they would have been able to refuse unsafe work in our collective agreements, and they would have been able to refuse that work, and would not have been subjected to that kind of atrocious conditions.""


"There’s No Question That Union Mines Are Safer"
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Old 04-14-2010, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Oh, I think he knows the truth, but he's counting on his fans to be loyal Fox viewers who will never see the truth at other media sources.
Contrary to what others may think, I actually think that Rush did the unions a favor by asking these questions. He may not have intended to put a positive spin on unionization, however, the very fact that he stresses 'union' and 'safety' together will create a positive connection for some people. Is Rush actually suggesting that if the union had been present, the mine would have been safer?
That if the union had been present, the workers would have refused to work in unsafe conditions and might be alive today?
Maybe not, but, I made that leap - others may as well
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Old 04-14-2010, 10:38 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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Contrary to what others may think, I actually think that Rush did the unions a favor by asking these questions. He may not have intended to put a positive spin on unionization, however, the very fact that he stresses 'union' and 'safety' together will create a positive connection for some people. Is Rush actually suggesting that if the union had been present, the mine would have been safer?
That if the union had been present, the workers would have refused to work in unsafe conditions and might be alive today?
Maybe not, but, I made that leap - others may as well
If he did as you're suggesting---and I can see your logic here---it was quite by accident because Rush is very anti-union.
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