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Old 04-15-2010, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Aloha, Oregon
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...because nearly 50% of Americans don't even pay income tax. The rest of us foot their bill.
Read the article, it's short and won't hurt you.
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Old 04-15-2010, 11:04 AM
 
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To be fair, I think (outside of the 47% no taxie population) that our tax system is mostly fair. I gripe and would prefer a flatter system, but I can see why a progressive tax makes sense.

My biggest problem is that some people (dems) seem to think the answer to everything is to raise taxes. We don't have a shortage of money. We have senseless, irrational, inefficient spending. Why is that so hard to wrap your head around?
Republicans think tax cuts are the answer to everything. Spending can be curtailed, but it's not as easy as some want to believe.

At the moment, we have a national debt. We could dissolve the government, and the debt would still have to be paid. Faced with a choice of higher taxes or lower taxes combined with borrowing, I'd choose the higher taxes. Personal responsibility. I pay my bills.
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Old 04-15-2010, 11:04 AM
 
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Again, as polls go the responses are of those polled. Hardly meaningful regardless of the sample.
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Old 04-15-2010, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Republicans think tax cuts are the answer to everything. Spending can be curtailed, but it's not as easy as some want to believe.

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Why not? You can't give me one good reason.

The other problem is that once you create a government department or team or program, it never freakin' dies. So one solution would be to stop creating these damn, unkillable things.
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Old 04-15-2010, 11:13 AM
 
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Disagree. We are over taxed. And our taxes are wasted.
Not on a Federal level at least. Property and State sales/income taxes are another issue that many people are dealing with. See New Jersey for example.
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Old 04-15-2010, 11:17 AM
 
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I've never had a problem with taxes but I do take issue with waste. Our government seems to have the idea we can spend our way out of debt. Yes I do realize it's been a bipartisan policy that's been in effect for decades and I don't totally blame the present administration for the bubble that was bound to burst but I do blame the present administration for compounding the problem by not only following the very same fiscally irresponsible policies but pursuing them with such vigor. When it's time to tighten the belt (quite awhile ago) you don't go out and buy a new belt.
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Old 04-15-2010, 11:26 AM
 
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Why not? You can't give me one good reason.
I can give you a very good reason. The economy. What happens to a town when the major employer shuts its doors? Same thing happens if millions of government jobs are instantly lost. Spending cuts have to be targeted, and done methodically. Otherwise, putting millions of people out of work will have a devastating effect on the economy.

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The other problem is that once you create a government department or team or program, it never freakin' dies. So one solution would be to stop creating these damn, unkillable things.
Agreed. Unfortunately, politicians are more concerned with winning elections than offering solutions.
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Old 04-15-2010, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Contrary to popular belief, the government cannot tax rights it secures.

Income taxation is not a tax on income, but upon the revenue taxable activity, for which the rate of tax is based on income. (Ex: corporate dividends - based on usury - and thus a privilege.)

The income tax on wages is authorized by voluntary participation in national socialism (FICA / Social Security Act of 1935).

So in that sense, both forms of income taxation are voluntary and thus "fair".

If you didn't know how and when you volunteered, then you might feel it is "unfair".

Write a polite letter to your representative, and ask for a copy of the law that imposes a tax upon the wages of all Americans. Ask for a copy of the law that levies a tax upon your right to labor and your right to life. You may be surprised by the response - or lack thereof.
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Old 04-15-2010, 11:36 AM
 
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To be fair, I think (outside of the 47% no taxie population) that our tax system is mostly fair. I gripe and would prefer a flatter system, but I can see why a progressive tax makes sense.

My biggest problem is that some people (dems) seem to think the answer to everything is to raise taxes. We don't have a shortage of money. We have senseless, irrational, inefficient spending. Why is that so hard to wrap your head around?
A progressive income tax is immoral. How can an immoral tax make sense?
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Old 04-15-2010, 11:37 AM
 
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Contrary to popular belief, the government cannot tax rights it secures.

Income taxation is not a tax on income, but upon the revenue taxable activity, for which the rate of tax is based on income. (Ex: corporate dividends - based on usury - and thus a privilege.)

The income tax on wages is authorized by voluntary participation in national socialism (FICA / Social Security Act of 1935).

So in that sense, both forms of income taxation are voluntary and thus "fair".

If you didn't know how and when you volunteered, then you might feel it is "unfair".

Write a polite letter to your representative, and ask for a copy of the law that imposes a tax upon the wages of all Americans. Ask for a copy of the law that levies a tax upon your right to labor and your right to life. You may be surprised by the response - or lack thereof.
Wow! I rarely reply to this gobbledegook, but for the benefit of others, I'll offer the 16th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America:

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
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