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I most certainly do see the bigger picture of it all, and I see it beyond the wars we've waged in the past 10 years. Our action in Iraq and Afghanistan was predicated on false information, and right now it is bleeding us dry, killing innocents, fueling terrorism, and ruining our reputation. We don't have enough troops so we deploy PMCs, who in turn act irresponsibly and make us look even worse. Our leader in Afghanistan publicly laments the number of innocents we kill at checkpoints, even as plenty of our soldiers die for noting.
If you have an alternative view, provide an intelligent response instead of some empty garbage punctuated with emoticons.
Again, you are blaming the technicalities of the war. I don't disagree that certain aspects of the war were carried out incorrectly, however that was mostly an issue dealing with our national intelligence at the time. Bush just set the master objectives and pushed the button.
What was the reason we went to war in the first place?
Coming from someone who posted an opinion piece from a conservative commentator as their 'evidence'.....
As far as no reasonable concrete arguments?? We focused more on Iraq than we did on Afghanistan. That is a fact.
Opinion piece or not, he pointed out credible facts that you yourself cannot disprove and I made a personal decision to agree with what he said. Just because it wasn't an article written by Reuters doesn't mean it is rhetoic "hatemonger" propaganda. I receive my news from all kinds of sources, but am very diligent to fact check things before making a decision.
Again, you are focusing too closely on the technical details of the war. Read the other post I wrote above... What was the reason we went to war in the first place?
Despite his faults, leaders from around the world respected the man, even if a few hated him. This cannot be said about Obama. Most countries now view the US as a push over country that appears strategically indecisive. Obama's apology tours are undermining the credibility of our country and what we stand for, putting everyone at risk, even other countries that rely on our military defense.
Your problem is that you are an authoritarian, you think respect means being feared. That worldview gets you enemies and not friends, but hey conservatives love enemies. They wouldn't leave home without one.
Again, you are blaming the technicalities of the war. I don't disagree that certain aspects of the war were carried out incorrectly, however that was mostly an issue dealing with our national intelligence at the time. Bush just set the master objectives and pushed the button.
What was the reason we went to war in the first place?
This is an enormous deflection. "The technicalities of the war". Unpack this. Describe what the technicalities of war are.
Describe how the POTUS cannot be blamed for rushing into a war (despite, internally, enormous cries from all sides telling him that his intelligence was faulty) against a nation that had nothing to do with 9/11. Do you not remember the hubris of Rumsfeld as we went in? Do you remember how we allowed Iraq's infrastructure to be absolutely destroyed? The only building we protected was the ministry of oil. What about Cheney, his connection to Halliburton, and the no-bid contracts which we awarded to them? You still haven't acknowledged the use of mercenaries, or, Abu Ghraib, or our detention policies. Are these simply technicalities of war?
I do not think that terrorism is an issue to be ignored, but your defense of Bush's war policies is extremely weak. War is not a joke. Fighting terrorists, as opposed to a nation-state, is extremely difficult, yet we attack Iraq? Afghanistan is grinding up our boys like it's nothing, all because Bush "pushed the button" without using any kind of sense. Yee-haw. I'm gonna 'venge my daddy. Hate for Bush should be bi-partisan.
Yes, it was much better when we didn't have Social Security or Medicare and senior citizens starved or went without health care. Ah, the good old days.
As for the debt, it costs money to run a civilized country. Are rich people about to run out of money? If so, that's news to me. Besides, Reagan and Bush didn't worry about the debt, so why should liberals?
Yes it was, my grandmother wh was born in the mid 1800s was cared for by her mother ,not put into a lonely old folks home or hospice to die, she died in mothers bedroom . my mother died in my front room also . I will more than likly die alone although I have kids and grown grandkids ..
Roosevelts New Deal was't such a deal after all . Before welfare and socilaism we took care of each other, so did the minorities matter of fact . Changes needed to be made and they were .
Again, you are blaming the technicalities of the war. I don't disagree that certain aspects of the war were carried out incorrectly, however that was mostly an issue dealing with our national intelligence at the time. Bush just set the master objectives and pushed the button.
What was the reason we went to war in the first place?
As far Afghanistan we went to war because we were attacked. Nothing wrong with that and I was 100% behind the war in Afghanistan. Iraq is another story all together and it hurt us badly in our fight against those who actually did attack us as well as our standing.
Again, you are focusing too closely on the technical details of the war. Read the other post I wrote above... What was the reason we went to war in the first place?
Everyone pay close attention to this.
"the technical details of war". This is how someone with a poor argument tries to avoid the realities of the issue at hand.
We all know we went to war because of 9/11. So what?
Who were we supposed to go to war with? Do the ends justify the means regardless of the consequences? Should we ignore how we conduct ourselves in war? Do you really think that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have dealt a crippling blow to Islamic terrorism?
What are you talking about? Ask any world leader for yourself who they looked up to more. Go ahead, do it. I am completely confident about my stance on this. Bash my points of view all you want, in the end, I know I'm right on this.
1. Nobody, not even Obama, thinks the current deficits are sustainable. Drastic actions needed to be taken to prevent the economy from tipping into a prolonged depression. A lot of spending up front (including billlions in tax cuts) seems have pulled the economy back from the brink. Next step is paying down the deficit, which Obama has promised to cut in half by the end of his first term.
2. I don't know any liberal that supports prolonged dependence on free money if it's not necessary. There are people who abuse the social system and they are wrong. Just like there are people who abuse the capital system and they are wrong (i.e. the banks and such that collapsed our economy).
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