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Old 04-19-2010, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Murfreesboro (nearer Smyrna), TN
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I have no ill will toward anyone, but I don't understand the "Hate" part of a crime, and why it makes a difference. If I attack you on the street because of your sexual orientation, race, religious affiliation, or whatever, why does that matter. I have still attacked you. What difference does the reason make.

I ask this because if it is LEGAL for me to not like a person due to any of these things, then it should not factor into the crime. Aren't all crimes HATE anyway. If I rob you of your money, I have hate for my situation or the fact that your situation is better than mine, or whatever.

If you say that it does matter, isn't that the same as saying it is illegal for me to not like you for this or that reason.

Charles
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Old 04-19-2010, 03:57 PM
 
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Why differentiate between first degree and second degree murder? They are both murder. Should it matter if it was premeditated or not? Should it matter if it was a crime of passion or a crime for profit. Intent is often used in violent crimes. Anyone who doesn't realize that knows nothing about our criminal justice system. Are you prepared to radically change our criminal justice system?
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Old 04-19-2010, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Because for a long time local authorities wouldn't prosecute people who committed hate crimes, and therefore it became necessary to make it a federal crime.
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Old 04-19-2010, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Vermont
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People do things for different reasons, and if you commit a crime against someone because of bias against the group they are a member of, or are perceived to be a member of, it's an indication that you pose a greater threat to society because you're likely to do it again. The same reason a murder for hire is generally punished more severely than a murder that is the result of jealousy or some other purely personal grudge.
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Old 04-19-2010, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Murfreesboro (nearer Smyrna), TN
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Why differentiate between first degree and second degree murder? They are both murder. Should it matter if it was premeditated or not? Should it matter if it was a crime of passion or a crime for profit. Intent is often used in violent crimes. Anyone who doesn't realize that knows nothing about our criminal justice system. Are you prepared to radically change our criminal justice system?
I don't know why 1st and 2nd degree murder are different. As far as I am concerned, you either killed someone accidentally or purposefully. So, in my eyes, it should not matter that it was a crime of passion or premeditation. We are supposed to keep our actions in control to SOME degree!

What I think about the HATE crimes is that they are there to get revenge (for the lack of a better word) for the homosexuals and other protected groups. Also, the "hate crime" seems to get attention only one way. Remember the black people it Gena(sp), LA several years ago how beat one (maybe more) white person. Yes, they went to jail, but what did you hear most about - the way the whites were displaying anti-black objects and signage around town. Now, this was in bad taste and wrong in my view, but because whites where beaten by blacks, you didn't hear much about the crime itself.

Charles
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Old 04-19-2010, 04:08 PM
 
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Hate crime laws are NOt needed. The left passed them as "feel good"easure to show "they care".
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Old 04-19-2010, 04:09 PM
 
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To me, it further takes the blindfold off of our imperfect system of blind justice by adding political pandering into our criminal justice system.

Last edited by doc1; 04-19-2010 at 04:24 PM..
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Old 04-19-2010, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Murfreesboro (nearer Smyrna), TN
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People do things for different reasons, and if you commit a crime against someone because of bias against the group they are a member of, or are perceived to be a member of, it's an indication that you pose a greater threat to society because you're likely to do it again. The same reason a murder for hire is generally punished more severely than a murder that is the result of jealousy or some other purely personal grudge.
Most significant crimes have been shown to be repetitve. I still think it is a way to give some people and groups more protection. To me, the only ones who need special protection are children and animals. They cannot protect themselves to much degree.

Charles
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Old 04-19-2010, 04:13 PM
 
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Why should we try terrorists differently? Why not just them with murder?
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Old 04-19-2010, 04:13 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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I don't know why 1st and 2nd degree murder are different.
That explains much of why you don't get it.
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