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View Poll Results: Should private citizens have a right to own and carry an automatic machine gun?
Yes, right to own 27 20.15%
Yes, right to carry 0 0%
Yes, right to own and carry 46 34.33%
No, no right to own or carry 61 45.52%
Voters: 134. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-20-2010, 03:09 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Originally Posted by calipoppy View Post
Why, so they can kill a ton of people more efficiently?

These types of weapons should be banned - the 2nd amendment did not intend for psychopaths to have mass killing machines.
There were no crimes committed with any legally owned and registered machineguns from 1934 to 1986 (when new registrations were banned).
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Old 04-20-2010, 03:11 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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At the time of the early Republic, the people had the right to own any weapon owned by the military. All male citizens were expected to own a firearm for military (militia) service of the type in ordinary use. These days that would be a select fire weapon.

Artillery and grenades were likewise readily available (Ben Franklin actually invented an improved grenade). There's no legitimate reason for banning such weapons. Anyone who wanted to commit a crime with them could make them anyways.
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Old 04-20-2010, 03:38 PM
 
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How the hell can you carry an automatic machine gun discreetly?

Over your shoulder while walking at the damn shopping mall? Are you showing off? Is that the latest in paramilitary accouterments? Practicing to become a mercenary?

I think you should be able to own whatever the hell you want, but to carry in public? Hell no! You gotta draw the line somewhere, and besides when your gun is bigger than a cops - there's a problem. Flashbacks of the shootout in North Hollywood back in the late '90's. Someone must be a pretty lousy shot to need to sling an automatic machine gun over their shoulder and walk around in public. Everyone knows all it takes is ONE bullet to bring a man down, not 70. What's the target anyhow? A herd of Moose?
Don't forget that those were highly illegal and unlawfully converted! That would have been an additional felony charge with up to ten years among all the other BS, had the bastards lived!
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Old 04-20-2010, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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I have the (human) right and need to urinate and defecate sometimes. Can I do either in your yard at a time of my convenience . . . errr need? Or in the street running in front of your house?
You know, I'm one of those who actually has suggested that automatic weapons be allowed. Now, about that urinating/defecating on my yard...

PS. Cool down. You probably haven't seen most of my posts. I've been playing devil's advocate in this thread, as I truly believe in... those who live by the sword, die by it. But the conservative Jeezus doesn't agree with me.
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Old 04-20-2010, 03:41 PM
 
Location: in my imagination
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At the time of the early Republic, the people had the right to own any weapon owned by the military. All male citizens were expected to own a firearm for military (militia) service of the type in ordinary use. These days that would be a select fire weapon.

Artillery and grenades were likewise readily available (Ben Franklin actually invented an improved grenade). There's no legitimate reason for banning such weapons. Anyone who wanted to commit a crime with them could make them anyways.

Well when it comes to artillery and grenades I don't even support legal ownership without special licensing. Reason being explosives kill indiscriminate, they aren't aimed to a specific target like a firearm, bombs can damage unintended people.
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Old 04-20-2010, 03:44 PM
 
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I believe that Second Amendment purists would say yes, they should have that right.
The Constitution was written by humans, #1, which means it is possible for it to have flaws. #2, it was adopted in 1791, and the times (and technology) have changed. So no, they shouldn't.
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Old 04-20-2010, 03:55 PM
 
Location: in my imagination
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The Constitution was written by humans, #1, which means it is possible for it to have flaws..

Sort of interesting because the military, police and politicians are humans therefore sometimes flawed also. Which why I ask why do people say they are to be the only ones trust worthy with power and weapons?

Which brings me to another question. Sterotyped, liberals trust only the politicians, police and military with automatic weapons yet don't trust or support the military when they use them in war? How often do "liberals" point out supposed "crimes by troops" in war, like Iraq?
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Old 04-20-2010, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Maine
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If people want to sure. Why not? Because an automatic rifle allows for repeating fire? So does a semi-automatic, you just have to press the trigger each time. Not a big flipping deal. Some people can even fire single action revolvers pretty rapidly with practice.


YouTube - Joey Dillon,Single action firing methods
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Old 04-20-2010, 04:36 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Well when it comes to artillery and grenades I don't even support legal ownership without special licensing. Reason being explosives kill indiscriminate, they aren't aimed to a specific target like a firearm, bombs can damage unintended people.
The current $200 NFA tax is what bothers me most.
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Old 04-20-2010, 04:41 PM
 
Location: between Ath,GR & Mia,FL...
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IMO ,the best parallelism of people & guns I can make,is to pilots & airplanes...
Both pilots & airplanes are checked & regulated.
Flying is the safest way of transportation,all people like pilots & airplanes...
We should not become a cast .
We,the 4.3m of NRA & the 1.5% of adults who carry,agree with each other.

We need to convince the...150 million adults who...do not carry...

Can we be "popular " with them..?

Can we persuade them...
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