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Old 04-20-2010, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Washington state
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So by your silence, I guess we can assume that you're OK with left-wing domestic terrorist groups such as ELF. You were specifically asked about them, and you didn't denounce them, so you MUST approve, right?

UPTON SUPPORTS DOMESTIC TERRORISM!

Hey, it's your own logic being applied here, upton.

Funny.

Hey, how many people has the ELF killed?
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Old 04-20-2010, 09:58 AM
 
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Funny.

Hey, how many people has the ELF killed?
Who the hell is ELF and what terrorist attacks have they committed? How can I denounce or support something I know little of?
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Old 04-20-2010, 10:02 AM
 
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Tea party is responsible for not garnering respect from many like me. When they can prove themselves in the longer run, I just might respect them more. Part of my disgust also comes from use of the name "tea party", when the movement today is technically carrying corporate agenda. It contradicts the original tea party that opposed government's selective taxation on the people as well as corporations that were dictating people's lives.

Now, the whine and cry is about... socialism. We've come a long way.

DON'T WORRY.....NOVEMBER WILL BE HERE BEFORE YOU KNOW IT!
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Old 04-20-2010, 10:04 AM
 
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Tea party tries to distance themselves from McVeigh, while at the same time rationalizing his actions and shifting blame towards others.
more demonization. and its utterly false.

Bill Clinton tried to blame Rush Limbaugh. Was that "rationalizing" or was it assessing blame?

If (and it is a big "if") The whole entire Tea Party and not just a few posters on C-D are assessing blame to the government because of Ruby Ridge and Waco, why is that different than what Bill Clinton did?

There is no rationalizing the OKC bombing.

There is however a very real debate on what led to such an action.

Quit demonizing people and have a substantive debate.
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Old 04-20-2010, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Washington state
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Who the hell is ELF and what terrorist attacks have they committed? How can I denounce or support something I know little of?
Earth Liberation Front.

McVeigh-168

ELF-0

See, the comparison to McVeigh is ridiculous.
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Old 04-20-2010, 10:08 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Somebody is buying into the media driven paranoia.
Or maybe he's actually just seeing the truth because the right wing anti-government rhetoric really hasn't changed that much.
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Old 04-20-2010, 10:12 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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BTW I'm amazed there are still people ignorant or just silly enough to believe the government killed the wackos at wacko. The truth is the cult leaders had virtually all their own people poisoned and then set the whole compound on fire. I realize why dirt bags like Limbaugh are spreading these lies but I'm utterly amazed anyone is actually stupid enough to believe them. Were you people even alive and paying attention when the Wako wackos offed themselves? Seriously, this new conspiracy theory is about as dumb as the 9/11 truthers conspiracy theory.
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Old 04-20-2010, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Several years ago, one of these groups (a lesser known one, don't recall the acronym) raided the office that a friend of mine worked at. They burst in - during business hours - trashed the place, and ran out. They caused thousands of dollars in damage. Their reason? They thought (they were wrong) that the company, which is a software development company, was working with a specific animal testing lab that the group regularly targets.

These groups are classified as domestic terrorist organizations by the FBI. But we haven't heard a peep from Upton about them - maybe we should assume that since he hasn't denounced them, he must approve of them.

Upton, you obviously support terrorism!

(do you see now how stupidly idiotic your logic on this matter is now?!)
The place where i got my info was on the government web site for the FBI, and the document was written in 2002, so who knows how many more acts of violence/terror ELF/ALF has committed since then.

The document did mention smaller groups of two or more people who were convicted of domestic acts of terror like you mentioned.

McVeigh is always associated with the right-wing, but scum like that, who set out murdering people has no place in a civil society. McVeigh was a sick twisted SOB who has no more to do with the right-wing then the Columbine kids.

As I pointed out, the most numerous domestic terrorists we have are on the left, like ELF, ALF, Green Peace etc... So why the left always fears acts of violence from the right, i have no clue.
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Old 04-20-2010, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Look, it's pretty transparent what the Democrats are up to and no one is being fooled. When they tried to marginalize the Tea Party in the beginning by calling them astroturf and tea baggers with dismissive rhetoric and that didn't work, they shifted gears and now they are saying they are racists and biggest terror threat since Osama Bin Laden and Timothy McVeigh. It's so bad, they want to infiltrate the movement. "Quick, get me an eco-terrorist that can pass as Grandma and dress like Midwest Mike! Do we know anyone like that?"

Does that not sound a little desperate to you? You didn't see conservatives running around in Code Pink shirts, did you? Or how about the idiots that actually cause property damage when they demonstrate?

Meanwhile, we have a Democrat Ku Klux Klanner in Congress and a President in the White House who actually hung out with radical bomber terrorists and went to a racist church but don't let the facts get in the way.

It's kind of like Fox News, Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh. The more the Democrat politicians, the President and their lib/socialist/commie enablers in the media, desperate for ratings and subscribers, talk about those guys, the more I think they must be right on target with what they are saying, otherwise why waste your time and money on them?
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Old 04-20-2010, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Washington state
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The place where i got my info was on the government web site for the FBI, and the document was written in 2002, so who knows how many more acts of violence/terror ELF/ALF has committed since then.

The document did mention smaller groups of two or more people who were convicted of domestic acts of terror like you mentioned.

McVeigh is always associated with the right-wing, but scum like that, who set out murdering people has no place in a civil society. McVeigh was a sick twisted SOB who has no more to do with the right-wing then the Columbine kids.

As I pointed out, the most numerous domestic terrorists we have are on the left, like ELF, ALF, Green Peace etc... So why the left always fears acts of violence from the right, i have no clue.
LOL...sure you're right:

McVeigh-168

ELF-0
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