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View Poll Results: Close gun hole loop hole?
Close it, require a background check, and require registration 18 45.00%
Don't close it, please explain your reason 19 47.50%
Other (please explain) 3 7.50%
Voters: 40. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-20-2010, 08:05 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Columbine and Va. Tech Families Take On Gun Show ‘Loophole’ - The Caucus Blog - NYTimes.com

Saw an add for this today. Saying that the Senate is looking to shut down the gun hole, because its been 11 years since Columbine.

I talked to a buddy today, who sales firearms for a living. I wanted to get his opinion.

He said that it doesn't matter. They are only shutting down Gun Shows.

See, for those that don't know, at Gunshows you can simply walk in, and walk out with a firearm, with no background check. However, this is perfectly legal, turns out. You can do it in Wal-Mart parking lot to.

All the bill would do, is to shut down the gun show.

I think if they want to track guns, they should just require a license, even for a person to person sale, regardless of where it takes place.

To me, if they pass a law that only prohibits this only at "Gun Shows" its really a pointless law.

I really don't see a reason to pass it at all, just don't allow sales to minors.
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Old 04-20-2010, 08:10 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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There's no legitimate reason to ban private sales between neighbors, friends, etc.

Do you really believe criminals won't continue selling without going to a dealer and paying $30 or more to fill out a piece of paper?

The intent behind this is entirely about making guns more difficult to get for the law abiding. Many people are wrong denied or delayed by the NICS when buying from dealers every year.

Furthermore, it's intrastate commerce not interstate commerce.
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Old 04-20-2010, 08:22 PM
 
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NO! Leave it alone! The last thing we need is more anti 2nd amendment laws.
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Old 04-20-2010, 08:25 PM
 
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Columbine and Va. Tech Families Take On Gun Show ‘Loophole’ - The Caucus Blog - NYTimes.com

Saw an add for this today. Saying that the Senate is looking to shut down the gun hole, because its been 11 years since Columbine.

I talked to a buddy today, who sales firearms for a living. I wanted to get his opinion.

He said that it doesn't matter. They are only shutting down Gun Shows.

See, for those that don't know, at Gunshows you can simply walk in, and walk out with a firearm, with no background check. However, this is perfectly legal, turns out. You can do it in Wal-Mart parking lot to.

All the bill would do, is to shut down the gun show.

I think if they want to track guns, they should just require a license, even for a person to person sale, regardless of where it takes place.

To me, if they pass a law that only prohibits this only at "Gun Shows" its really a pointless law.

I really don't see a reason to pass it at all, just don't allow sales to minors.
Perhaps the better way to go about this is to require proof of screening at point of sale. I'd rather not see gun shows hurt, but columbine happened when a just over the age limit purchased for them (same way some adults buy ciggies for kids). The gun show vendor was being responsible, the person he sold it to was not. Proof of screening would allow LE swifter tracking in chain of custody exonerating the innocent. Had columbine weapons passed through 5 sets of hands, one set of hands gave them to minors, and that one was culpable, not the 5, not the vendor, not the manufacturer.

I'm thinking that loophole in the walmart parking lot should be a higher priority than gun shows.
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Old 04-20-2010, 08:39 PM
 
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There's no legitimate reason to ban private sales between neighbors, friends, etc.
If your best friend is a convict on parole, I've got a problem with the both of you.

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Do you really believe criminals won't continue selling without going to a dealer and paying $30 or more to fill out a piece of paper?
Yes criminals will. And that's how LE can sort out the good guys from the bad guys swiftly in investigations after the fact of crime.

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The intent behind this is entirely about making guns more difficult to get for the law abiding.
False. The intent is to impose order. The way they're going about it might result in what you're concerned about if it's done sloppy, but it isn't their intent. That's propaganda.

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Many people are wrong denied or delayed by the NICS when buying from dealers every year.
Delayed- what's the hurry? Wrongful denial can be argued legally and if I saw abuses there most americans would argue your cause. Retracting a gun out of the hands of criminals after the fact is finding out the hard way.
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Old 04-20-2010, 08:47 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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If your best friend is a convict on parole, I've got a problem with the both of you.

Yes criminals will. And that's how LE can sort out the good guys from the bad guys swiftly in investigations after the fact of crime.
You just admitted it will do nothing but cause problems and cost money to the law abiding.


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False. The intent is to impose order. The way they're going about it might result in what you're concerned about if it's done sloppy, but it isn't their intent. That's propaganda.
This whole claim of a "loophole" existing was created by the gun control lobby when their other efforts against the second amendment failed. They want to make the whole country like CA.


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Delayed- what's the hurry? Wrongful denial can be argued legally and if I saw abuses there most americans would argue your cause. Retracting a gun out of the hands of criminals after the fact is finding out the hard way.
Some people only go out and buy guns when their lives are in danger. For instance, abusive ex's. It is absolutely unacceptable.
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Old 04-20-2010, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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This whole claim of a "loophole" existing was created by the gun control lobby when their other efforts against the second amendment failed. They want to make the whole country like CA.
I have personally purchased a S&W .22 Kit Gun from a "dealer" at a gun show here in SC with no paperwork, proof of identity - nothing. If I hadn't written my name on an index card and given it to the so-called "dealer", there would have been no paperwork of any type.

In 30 minutes I could have gone to K-mart for ammo and shot up downtown Columbia.

This scenario where if you can put money on the counter you can own a pistol regardless of your background, mental state, or curent intent needs to be completely eliminated.

There should be a mandatory background check before a sale can take place, and a record of the sale filed with LE complete with ourchaser, type of handgun, and serial number.
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Old 04-20-2010, 09:19 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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I have personally purchased a S&W .22 Kit Gun from a "dealer" at a gun show here in SC with no paperwork, proof of identity - nothing. If I hadn't written my name on an index card and given it to the so-called "dealer", there would have been no paperwork of any type.

In 30 minutes I could have gone to K-mart for ammo and shot up downtown Columbia.

This scenario where if you can put money on the counter you can own a pistol regardless of your background, mental state, or curent intent needs to be completely eliminated.

There should be a mandatory background check before a sale can take place, and a record of the sale filed with LE complete with ourchaser, type of handgun, and serial number.
So? You can order cap and ball revolvers all day long through the mail too.

That wasn't a gun dealer if they didn't do a 4473, it was just an individual selling a gun.

You can go around yard sales in Vermont and find guns all over. We're also one of the safest states.

Believing a gun law like this would do anything about crime is simply absurd. If I wanted to sell a gun to someone if it passed, who would ever know unless I told someone?

The police have no business knowing about the personal posessions of an individual.
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Old 04-20-2010, 09:26 PM
 
Location: mancos
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banning gun shows will stop gun shows nothing more. plus my local highschool will loose the extra money
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Old 04-20-2010, 09:45 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Enough with the cr@p!

Add is spelled ad, and loose is spelled lose in your local context.

GD...I hope y'all aren't college graduates!
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