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Old 04-21-2010, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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And yet, few, if any, in NJ are willing to give up the 'home rule' that has created all of these mini-fiefdoms (see attached link) all with their own governments, school systems (including superintendents), etc.

The town that I lived in NJ was 3/4 of a square mile, had all of ~7000 residents and yet, we still had our own police dept., school district (elementary, JHS and HS), crazy high property taxes because the town has no ratables, and still no one would discuss merging any of these services with another (larger) town. My son's graduating HS class had all of 52 kids.

The NJEA is an easy target because no one wants to do the real 'dirty' work and consolidate because people want to keep being able to say that their town has a 16/1 student-teacher ratio (as it is in my old town).

Oh well, when the varsity football programs are cut, I expect people may feel a little differently.

List of school districts in New Jersey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 04-21-2010, 12:46 PM
 
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For the first time in 34 years. The People are awakening to the corrupt influence of Public Unions.

NJ voters reject majority of school budgets for first time in 34 years | dailyrecord.com | Daily Record

Ah................ liberalism at its best. It can take a good educational system and just ruin it.

Keep in mind that in the 1960s, the ratio of adminstrators to teachers was 1:20. Now, thanks to the teacher's union, it is 1:3.

Public education stinks now, and the parochial school system can educate kids for half the price and produce better test scores.

The whole public school system needs to be dismantled and farmed out to private interests or the parochial system.
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Old 04-21-2010, 12:52 PM
 
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And yet, few, if any, in NJ are willing to give up the 'home rule' that has created all of these mini-fiefdoms (see attached link) all with their own governments, school systems (including superintendents), etc.

The town that I lived in NJ was 3/4 of a square mile, had all of ~7000 residents and yet, we still had our own police dept., school district (elementary, JHS and HS), crazy high property taxes because the town has no ratables, and still no one would discuss merging any of these services with another (larger) town. My son's graduating HS class had all of 52 kids.

The NJEA is an easy target because no one wants to do the real 'dirty' work and consolidate because people want to keep being able to say that their town has a 16/1 student-teacher ratio (as it is in my old town).

Oh well, when the varsity football programs are cut, I expect people may feel a little differently.

List of school districts in New Jersey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You are right about the districts. It is a good ole boys club in NJ and these many districts are used to launder money to friends and family by providing them jobs. It needs to be reworked big time. As far as the teachers go, they need to stop being selfish and do their part to help out during this economic mess. The public workers in NJ (CWA) are all participating in the same cuts that are expected of the teachers. Here's another kicker....Most teachers say that they don't do it for the money and only do it for the kids. That is a bunch of crap and a plain out lie. Gov. Christie said that any money that get's cut from the teachers will come back to their school districts in their budget so no programs will get cut. The teachers HATED that idea! Shows that they are NOT in it for the kids and are only being selfishly greedy. There are 2 or 3 NJEA locals that cut ties with the rest of NJEA and are willing to go along with the cuts. They "get it" atleast.
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Old 04-21-2010, 01:04 PM
 
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You are right about the districts. It is a good ole boys club in NJ and these many districts are used to launder money to friends and family by providing them jobs. It needs to be reworked big time. As far as the teachers go, they need to stop being selfish and do their part to help out during this economic mess. The public workers in NJ (CWA) are all participating in the same cuts that are expected of the teachers. Here's another kicker....Most teachers say that they don't do it for the money and only do it for the kids. That is a bunch of crap and a plain out lie. Gov. Christie said that any money that get's cut from the teachers will come back to their school districts in their budget so no programs will get cut. The teachers HATED that idea! Shows that they are NOT in it for the kids and are only being selfishly greedy. There are 2 or 3 NJEA locals that cut ties with the rest of NJEA and are willing to go along with the cuts. They "get it" atleast.
How exactly will that happen when the Governor has already made huge cuts ($475 million) in what the state will send to the districts? Are you saying that he is basically blackmailing the districts into firing teachers?
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Old 04-21-2010, 01:14 PM
 
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Nonsense. The people of NJ are unwilling to pay the real cost of educating their childern. Let them try doing it by themselves as well as the public schools. Home schooling only produces uneducated ideologs with few social skills.

Besides why should being a teacher require a vow of poverty? Being a lawyers does not and IMHO teachers are much more value to society than lawyers.

As a parent of home schooled children I can tell you don't know what the h*ll you are talking about. My kids test better and they are far more socially adept then their indoctrinated drones in the public schools. They are very involved in the community, learning social skills with adults as well; you know things like respect, dignity and decorum, something seriously lacking in kids now days.

What they will NOT learn is that people who live lives of perversion are normal or El Gordo is telling the truth. My kids do not spend time on being told how little Johnny thinks he is a girl.

Most schools are a cesspool of liberal teachers who have an agenda and it is not reading, writing and arithmetic. Good for this state waking up!
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Old 04-21-2010, 02:50 PM
 
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The New Jersey Education Association, the state’s teachers’ union, estimated that as many as 6,000 teachers and 10,000 other school workers would lose their jobs under the proposed budgets.


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a8lOfoCwXbLo&pos=8


The NJEA has no one to blame but itself.
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Old 04-21-2010, 05:35 PM
 
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Sparta teachers took a pay freeze and are paying toward health care as Christie wanted and their town still didn't pass the budget. For all those who believed that if only teachers would take a pay freeze we wouldn't have to lay off teachers. I'm betting those teachers in Sparta are sorry they took a pay freeze.
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Old 04-21-2010, 06:19 PM
 
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As a parent of home schooled children I can tell you don't know what the h*ll you are talking about. My kids test better and they are far more socially adept then their indoctrinated drones in the public schools. They are very involved in the community, learning social skills with adults as well; you know things like respect, dignity and decorum, something seriously lacking in kids now days.

What they will NOT learn is that people who live lives of perversion are normal or El Gordo is telling the truth. My kids do not spend time on being told how little Johnny thinks he is a girl.

Most schools are a cesspool of liberal teachers who have an agenda and it is not reading, writing and arithmetic. Good for this state waking up!
Well, if your children are learning the "respect, dignity, and decorum" you demonstrate in this post, maybe they're not learning the true lesson as well as you might think.

Then again, with such an attitude, I suppose they are learning exactly the lesson you intended.
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Old 04-21-2010, 06:37 PM
 
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Broad general statements like this are usually false. Most homeschooled children are so well educated that they enter college with high SAT scores. In many areas, the homeschooled children participate in EC activities at public schools. Throwing more money at education has not produced better results, only richer teacher's unions.
HOME-SCHOOLING: Outstanding results on national tests
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The study included almost 12,000 home-school students from all 50 states who took three well-known standardized achievements tests — the California Achievement Test, the Iowa Test of Basic Skills and the Stanford Achievement Test — for the 2007-08 academic year. The students were drawn from 15 independent testing services, making it the most comprehensive home-school academic study to date.

The results reinforced previous home-school studies conducted over a period of 25 years.

Five areas of academic pursuit were measured. In reading, the average home-schooler scored at the 89th percentile; language, 84th percentile; math, 84th percentile; science, 86th percentile; and social studies, 84th percentile. In the core studies (reading, language and math), the average home-schooler scored at the 88th percentile.

The average public school student taking these standardized tests scored at the 50th percentile in each subject area.
HOME-SCHOOLING: Testing proves success of grads

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To address this criticism, the Home School Legal Defense Association (HSLDA) commissioned several studies to compare how home-schoolers score on standardized achievement tests compared to their public and private school counterparts.

The results of those tests demonstrated that on average, home-schooled children regularly outperformed their peer

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Old 04-21-2010, 09:22 PM
 
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Well, if your children are learning the "respect, dignity, and decorum" you demonstrate in this post, maybe they're not learning the true lesson as well as you might think.

Then again, with such an attitude, I suppose they are learning exactly the lesson you intended.

I wouldn't worry about my children or their charater. I can assure you they behave and act 100 times better than the kids of the liberals in town with their filthy mouths.
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