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Old 04-23-2010, 04:04 PM
 
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That is not what I had in mind or meant. I just think if you use pro life as a political football, you can't be surprised when folks begin to believe their children are all of our precious gifts - without regards to who is going to pay for them, thus leading to the surge in the welfare rolls. Seems to me - it goes hand in hand.

Guess pushing the pill, day after pill, the patch, and even abortion doesn't go over big on the political stage. But the truth about it, they should be passing out these things like candy
Oh believe me I did understand your meaning. I was just acknowledging the irony of select self described conservatives buying conspiracy theory du jour. When conspiracy theory spotlight shines upon their own brand, I'm obliged to indict them by their own standard of logic & revisionist laws. The vast right wing conspiracy is afoot and we ought to abandon every law on the books to stomp these nazi communists out.

Another blogger had a status saying 'you'll know them by their fruit'. In that context what precisely has the embodiment of (usurped) conservative agenda yielded for decades? Nothing remotely resembling the true definition of conservative? Equal time, what has liberal agenda yielded for decades? Does it live up to it's definition fully? Liberal/ progressive policy evolving-- what's the solution for OP woman?

Subject of birth control-- I advocate for a comprehensive education for youth (and childish adults). Beyond where liberals leave off with their definition of comprehensive, I'd include the emphasis that sexual expression is more than entertainment, friction, or deriving pleasure from another human being. Core message is the stuff real relationships are made of isn't found in casual sex or the lifetime habit of pornography. That's as bogus as telling kids to seek a mate as an acquisition, or aspire for disney romance version of marriage. Nowhere in print, music, film, or news is this concept being portrayed. 'Sex' is sold everywhere.
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Old 04-23-2010, 05:18 PM
 
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Regardless of her ethnicity, I would like her to explain to me why I owe her free housing, free healthcare, free food for her and her 15 children. I want her to explain to me why she is incapable of getting a J-O-B.

From one mother to another, I understand the difficulties of raising a child alone. However, she make the conscious decision to continue to make babies, all because she has a sense of entitlement. The entitlement issue in this country is going to be the death of the taxpayer.
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Old 04-24-2010, 09:42 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Regardless of her ethnicity, I would like her to explain to me why I owe her free housing, free healthcare, free food for her and her 15 children. I want her to explain to me why she is incapable of getting a J-O-B.

From one mother to another, I understand the difficulties of raising a child alone. However, she make the conscious decision to continue to make babies, all because she has a sense of entitlement. The entitlement issue in this country is going to be the death of the taxpayer.



I'm not so sure that her having all these children comes from a sense of entitlement. I'm going to go out on a limb and surmise that the genesis of her current situation comes from a combination of:
  • Lack of both sex education and reproductive education (physical, economic, psychological aspects).
  • Lack of any effective positive role models or positive examples of how to live her life.
  • Lack of self-esteem.
  • Lack of hope of making anything out of her life.
This is the path to hopelessness and desperation, which probably ultimately led to the sense of "somebody has to help me", also known as entitlement. It is highly unlikely that she was ever exposed to, let along taught, the concept of personal responsibility.

In this thread and in general conversation you hear people toss around the term "personal responsibility". What a lot of the self-righteous people don't want to acknowledge is that personal responsibility is taught. It's not something you're born with. Someone has to teach it to you before you can apply it in your own life.

These are the same folks who are quick to throw rocks and look down their noses at people in situations like this woman with 18 children (yes, it was largely of her own doing, but do not believe that she just woke up one morning and decided, "Ya know, I think I'm going to have 18 children, and the world owes it to me to support us!!").

The self-righteous don't want to accept that the truth is that most people in this situation, for whatever reasons, have not been taught what they need to know to make it in life. They (the self-righteous) rarely want to look at the "Why" behind the "What". They only want you to focus on the "What". To get to the foundation of the problem would, in most cases, take away their pedestal of self-righteousness that gives them permission to look down on and comdemn those who have not done as well in life, or are not as educated, or have not made better choices, which are typically based on what life has taught us.

It's easier to heap coals on the heads of those who can't support themselves than it is to perform any kind of analysis as to how they wound up in the position of not being able to support themselves.

No one owes this woman free housing, free healthcare, or free food. The may think she's entitled to it because she apparently doesn't know anything else. What we do know for certain is that she has had some exposure to drug dealing. Typically, not a long-term career move.

Goldilocks, do you really need her to explain to you why she can't get a J-O-B, or were you just posing a redundant question?

As far as the taxpayer/entitlement issue is concerned, let's be equitable about cleaning that up. If you want to kill it for individuals, you have to want to kill it for institutions and corporations, too. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Speaking of taxpayer money, instead of spending billions of dollars to build prisons and keep people warehoused in them to the tune of around $60,000 per inmate per year, it would make a lot more sense to direct that money into an effective education and life-skills program designed to produce productive tax-paying free people instead of trying to clean up the mess afterwards by turning them into inmates of the state or federal prisons
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Old 04-25-2010, 04:06 PM
 
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Regardless of her ethnicity, I would like her to explain to me why I owe her free housing, free healthcare, free food for her and her 15 children. I want her to explain to me why she is incapable of getting a J-O-B.

From one mother to another, I understand the difficulties of raising a child alone. However, she make the conscious decision to continue to make babies, all because she has a sense of entitlement. The entitlement issue in this country is going to be the death of the taxpayer.
I have to shake my head at Mom of 15's blatant hypocrisy. "My children are gifts from God". Yet she fornicated like the wh** of Babylon an assortment of men to get each and every one of them. So I guess she "invokes the Lord" when it suits her sick and twisted purposes. A mother who has a brood of children she has no ability or intention of supporting, and continues to birth more is in my opinion, a child abuser.
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Old 04-25-2010, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Philly, Philly
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Clearly this woman is mentally ill and has had her children taken a way for a reason. I do not see how this one woman is indicative of all black women or black people period.
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Old 04-25-2010, 04:33 PM
 
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Clearly this woman is mentally ill and has had her children taken a way for a reason. I do not see how this one woman is indicative of all black women or black people period.
It's not just this one woman though. The Black population of the U.S seems to have a big problem with single Moms raising multiple children from several different Dads who don't take care of their kids.

The illegitimacy, welfare, and crime rates in the Black population is astounding per their population.
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Old 04-25-2010, 04:35 PM
 
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Clearly this woman is mentally ill and has had her children taken a way for a reason. I do not see how this one woman is indicative of all black women or black people period.
Well you know the die-hard racists only want to find one black woman so they can stupidly dump millions into the same nasty bin. But when someone of their race shows up on the radar, acting like this, there's blindness, feigned ignorance, or their circumstances will be heatedly defended as "different somehow, from the black woman's"
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Old 04-25-2010, 06:31 PM
 
Location: The Midwest
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Those poor kids.. they are ultimately the people who suffer the most. I'm not exactly fond of the foster system, but the kids desperately need something better in life.
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Old 04-25-2010, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Philly, Philly
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It's not just this one woman though. The Black population of the U.S seems to have a big problem with single Moms raising multiple children from several different Dads who don't take care of their kids.

The illegitimacy, welfare, and crime rates in the Black population is astounding per their population.
Really? Where are all of these black women?

Well I can find 100 black women who are not like this..including me, my mom and many other black women in my family. I'm 25 and have NO kids.

I actually work in mental health and clearly she has a mental health problem.

And if you have such a problem with the issues facing the black population, my question to you is, when are you gonna do something to educate and help solve the problem? Hiding behind your computer isn't doing anything!
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Old 04-25-2010, 07:21 PM
 
Location: Philly, Philly
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Well you know the die-hard racists only want to find one black woman so they can stupidly dump millions into the same nasty bin. But when someone of their race shows up on the radar, acting like this, there's blindness, feigned ignorance, or their circumstances will be heatedly defended as "different somehow, from the black woman's"
Yea I know. I've been on CD for awhile and these people are by far the dumbest people I've ever met.
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