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Old 04-24-2010, 03:13 PM
 
Location: between Ath,GR & Mia,FL...
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It is sad to see so many commentators falling into the trap of socialism...

Mass transport must be denounced as a matter of principle,for ideological reasons...

Any person not in a coma can find $ 5K to buy a car.

We already use mass transport at sea & in the air. Land transport is the last frontier to freedom.

We should not imprison ourselves to buses & trains.

Only cars,always by car...
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Old 04-24-2010, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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It is sad to see so many commentators falling into the trap of socialism...

Mass transport must be denounced as a matter of principle,for ideological reasons...

Any person not in a coma can find $ 5K to buy a car.

We already use mass transport at sea & in the air. Land transport is the last frontier to freedom.

We should not imprison ourselves to buses & trains.

Only cars,always by car...
For some cities it works but for others it doesn't.
It's not a one size fit all where every city has to aspire to be like NYC.
It's very hard to retrofit mass transit to an existing city and connect all the suburbs and provide something useful to everyone.
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Old 04-24-2010, 03:21 PM
 
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Gotham City is the model to avoid...
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Old 04-24-2010, 03:31 PM
 
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It is sad to see so many commentators falling into the trap of socialism...

Mass transport must be denounced as a matter of principle,for ideological reasons...

Any person not in a coma can find $ 5K to buy a car.

We already use mass transport at sea & in the air. Land transport is the last frontier to freedom.

We should not imprison ourselves to buses & trains.

Only cars,always by car...
Many of us consider dependence on a car to be imprisonment and multiple transportation options to be freedom.

So, keep your socialist automobile lifestyle. You can let government force you into an automobile by only spending our tax dollars on highways and roads if you want, but not me. Let freedom of choice ring!
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Old 04-24-2010, 03:39 PM
 
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It is sad to see so many commentators falling into the trap of socialism...

Mass transport must be denounced as a matter of principle,for ideological reasons...

Any person not in a coma can find $ 5K to buy a car.

We already use mass transport at sea & in the air. Land transport is the last frontier to freedom.

We should not imprison ourselves to buses & trains.

Only cars,always by car...
Is this satire?
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Old 04-24-2010, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Many of us consider dependence on a car to be imprisonment and multiple transportation options to be freedom.



which would you rather....... I live 12 miles from work...........
1) to drivewhen there is no traffic (maybe 2am) it would take me 15 minutes.....but during rush hour it takes me almost 1 hr, I use a tank of gas (14 gallons) a week (at $3/gallon, that's $42 a week or 168 a month)....................
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or.....
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2)...to take mass transit I would have to DRIVE 3 miles to the trainstation(belmore), then wait for a train, to get to the terminal (jamaica station) to wait to get picked up the subway (to flushing), then hop on a bus to get to work, and it would take me over 2 and a half hours......and a monthly ticket for the long island railroad is over $300 a month...plus the subway and the bus


that is the problem with mass transit ( its at least twice the time and 4 times the cost) unless you live and work only blocks away
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Old 04-24-2010, 04:27 PM
 
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Is this satire?

To read while u ride your...light rail or whatever...

Maybe it is good for some kind of people not to drive cars...
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Old 04-24-2010, 04:33 PM
 
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Seattle's light rail system is called Link Light Rail...it has only been operating for about nine months...so it is in its infancy.

Do you realize that Seattle and Portland are several hours apart, how does a Coyote in Portland have anything to do with light rail in Seattle?
I found this in a Seattle blog. Coyote on Portland’s Max - Seattle Transit Blog

Empty trains and empty buses use a lot more fuel than a car with one person. Any kindergärtner could tell you that. In most U.S. cities mass transit doesn't work and drains needed money from the highway system.

Here is the BTU per passenger mile breakdown according to our government (note our current administration seems to have removed the source material from the public, only older links to it seem available). See - Ascription is an Anathema to any Enthusiasm › Energy per passenger-mile (http://enthusiasm.cozy.org/archives/2008/08/energy-per-passenger-mile - broken link)

Thousand BTU/Passenger Mile
4.2 Public Transit Buses
3.9 Personal trucks
3.4 Cars
3.3 Commercial Air
3.0 Rail - commuter
2.8 Rail - transit
2.6 Rail - intercity
2.2 Motorcylces
1.3 Vanpool

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A but is worse to take than a car in terms of energy efficiency, nationally. IF every bus were removed from the U.S. and people took cars instead, there would be a net reduction of consumed energy. A bus is about the worst method of transit available from an energy and environmental perspective.

Rail makes the most sense for intercity transit, I don't see a breakdown, but I'd bet the commuter rail numbers are skewed by cities like New York that accounts by itself for about 30% of all mass transit usage in the U.S.

Of the various alternatives, the vanpool is by far the best. Any city serious about cutting pollution and saving energy should seriously look to encourage vanpools. They are inexpensive to establish, and very energy efficient. They just don't put tremendous political power into a politicians hands.
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Old 04-24-2010, 04:33 PM
 
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which would you rather....... I live 12 miles from work...........
1) to drivewhen there is no traffic (maybe 2am) it would take me 15 minutes.....but during rush hour it takes me almost 1 hr, I use a tank of gas (14 gallons) a week (at $3/gallon, that's $42 a week or 168 a month)....................
.......
or.....
.....
2)...to take mass transit I would have to DRIVE 3 miles to the trainstation(belmore), then wait for a train, to get to the terminal (jamaica station) to wait to get picked up the subway (to flushing), then hop on a bus to get to work, and it would take me over 2 and a half hours......and a monthly ticket for the long island railroad is over $300 a month...plus the subway and the bus


that is the problem with mass transit ( its at least twice the time and 4 times the cost) unless you live and work only blocks away
I don't care what you do with your life. I was simply expressing my desire for auto-addicts to not imprison me with socialist government-mandated auto-dependence as if their desire to depend on a car is the only one that matters.

But, if you want to make transit work for you you'd make life choices that position you either near your work or near mass transit so you could just walk / bike to it. In major cities across the US and around the world housing near mass transit is the hottest commodity and where a lot of the building is happening.

And mass transit, when it's done properly, certainly isn't 4 times the cost when you factor in buying a car, maintaining a car, insuring a car, fueling a car, and maybe paying for parking / tolls for that car. Mass transit becomes far cheaper.
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Old 04-24-2010, 04:50 PM
 
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It is sad to see so many commentators falling into the trap of socialism...

Mass transport must be denounced as a matter of principle,for ideological reasons...

Any person not in a coma can find $ 5K to buy a car.

We already use mass transport at sea & in the air. Land transport is the last frontier to freedom.

We should not imprison ourselves to buses & trains.

Only cars,always by car...
I prefer to drive as my method of transportation, but I think people should have freedom to choose the method of transportation that works for their lifestyle. A person that lives in L.A. may prefer public transportation because traffic is horrible there. Someone who lives close to work may want to ride a bike.
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