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Old 04-28-2010, 04:10 PM
 
Location: San Jose
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In typical Bay Area fashion, you miss the point.

How about you leave the choice in "healthy choice" and not legislate your choices or that of the county?

How about you let parents choose how much fat and how much sugar they want to give to their children?

It's not for government to be telling a private business like McDonalds how they can package or sell their product, and it's not for the government to decide for consumers what options, healthy or not, they should prefer or be able to buy.

It is so incredible to me that anyone could support this kind of crap. What has happened to this country? How did we go so far from the principles of our founding fathers?
As I mention above.... the parents can still buy those meals, there just won't be a prize for buying it. There will still be prizes for other meals.

You still have a choice. And the parents can still choose.
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Old 04-28-2010, 04:49 PM
 
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If you outlaw Happy Meals, only outlaws will have Happy Meals...Chubby, little 6-year-old outlaws...
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Old 04-28-2010, 05:12 PM
 
Location: San Jose
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If you outlaw Happy Meals, only outlaws will have Happy Meals...Chubby, little 6-year-old outlaws...

Little Hamburglars!
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Old 04-28-2010, 05:46 PM
 
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Originally Posted by neil0311 View Post
In typical Bay Area fashion, you miss the point.

How about you leave the choice in "healthy choice" and not legislate your choices or that of the county?

How about you let parents choose how much fat and how much sugar they want to give to their children?

It's not for government to be telling a private business like McDonalds how they can package or sell their product, and it's not for the government to decide for consumers what options, healthy or not, they should prefer or be able to buy.

It is so incredible to me that anyone could support this kind of crap. What has happened to this country? How did we go so far from the principles of our founding fathers?
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Old 04-28-2010, 06:09 PM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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Little Hamburglars!
Didn't he get banned too, so we could save our impressionable young children from their inevitable future lives of crime that would be caused by a cartoon character who habitually steals hamburgers from clowns?
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Old 04-28-2010, 06:42 PM
 
Location: San Jose
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Didn't he get banned too, so we could save our impressionable young children from their inevitable future lives of crime that would be caused by a cartoon character who habitually steals hamburgers from clowns?
I don't know.... I did a search and couldn't find anything.
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Old 04-28-2010, 06:51 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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Yes, the Hamburglar was deleted from the McDonald's pantheon when someone decided that a character whose purpose was to steal hamburgers wasn't sending a positive message. (For the same reason, children can now watch Yogi Bear in his perennial crusade in support of ecology. He no longer spends his waking hours plotting to steal picnic baskets).

Apparently, if you don't show crime to children, they won't enter a life of crime. Something makes me think this logic is just a tad bit off, but I can't put my finger on what it is!
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Old 04-28-2010, 07:33 PM
 
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Ironically, I feel that Santa Clara County would be inclined to approve adult sex toys in Happy Meal bags.................as a health education enhancement.
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Old 04-28-2010, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Marietta, GA
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As I mention above.... the parents can still buy those meals, there just won't be a prize for buying it. There will still be prizes for other meals.

You still have a choice. And the parents can still choose.
Again....you don't get it. You're focusing in on the details and not the big picture.

The big picture here is whether or not the government should be legislating what products a private businesses may sell or how they package them, simply because some in government and in the public don't approve. This goes along with the "soda tax" and all the crap around transfat. This is not the business of government.

Look, I'm not overweight and I eat reasonably healthy and workout all week, but if I chose to sit around and eat bon bons all day, and buy my kids cheeseburgers and fries, then I'm entitled to do it without government weighing in on my choice. McDonalds is entitled to sell cheeseburgers in whatever packaging they want, again free from government intervention.

Let's tackle the real problems in this country, like government spending running out of control and eroding freedom. Let's get back to liberty and the nation that our ancestors fought to create.
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Old 04-28-2010, 08:06 PM
 
Location: San Jose
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Again....you don't get it. You're focusing in on the details and not the big picture.

The big picture here is whether or not the government should be legislating what products a private businesses may sell or how they package them, simply because some in government and in the public don't approve. This goes along with the "soda tax" and all the crap around transfat. This is not the business of government.

Look, I'm not overweight and I eat reasonably healthy and workout all week, but if I chose to sit around and eat bon bons all day, and buy my kids cheeseburgers and fries, then I'm entitled to do it without government weighing in on my choice. McDonalds is entitled to sell cheeseburgers in whatever packaging they want, again free from government intervention.

Let's tackle the real problems in this country, like government spending running out of control and eroding freedom. Let's get back to liberty and the nation that our ancestors fought to create.
I see that we won't agree on this... but I still think this ordinance was ok. Nothing is being prevented from being sold... but targeting kids with toys as a reward in order to sell food that contributes to a nationwide problem, a problem that even the armed forces is saying effects security, obesity.... is in bounds as far as I'm concerned.

Offer adults 'gifts' for buying something that isn't necessarily good for them... fine.

But putting limits on how kids are induced into wanting a meal because of a toy... and having that food be unhealthy, that's something I think is ok to say to those doing the manipulation, "Not here".

Again, the food can still be purchased and the toys given with other meals that are within the nutritional limits set by the board.
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