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Old 04-28-2010, 08:53 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Real Americans understand that the First Amendment is not there to protect speech you agree with, but rather to protect speech you disagree with. Real Americans are tolerant and non-violent in the face of opposing views.

Anti-American leftists, on the other hand, ignore the rights of others, are intolerant of any speech they disagree with, and particularly violent.


As history has shown and proven to be a fact.
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Old 04-28-2010, 09:09 AM
 
Location: South Bay Native
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From the article:

"There was a man on the second floor wearing a wedding dress," he said. "I don't think he had any problems going out on 2nd Street."


^^^^^^
And that, folks, is why I love America! Reading that just made my day.
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Old 04-28-2010, 10:31 AM
 
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No different than being beat for being gay.

It was a hate crime, or is there really such a thing.
Are all beatings, formed and framed from hate? I see a good argument about hate crimes coming.

I personally don't think there is such a thing as Hate Crime.
No it is not a hate crime. Nazi/racist is not a protected class.
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Old 04-28-2010, 10:48 AM
 
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No it is not a hate crime. Nazi/racist is not a protected class.
Suggesting one group of people is more important than another goes to the very heart of what racism is about, yes?

This is two way street, we can't pick and choose who's freedoms we are going to protect based on their ideology. As long as group of people is staying within the law and not infringing on the rights or others they most certainly have a right to exist, have the right to express their beliefs and deserve equal protection under the law.
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Old 04-28-2010, 10:51 AM
 
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Concertgoers show the Reich stuff, are beaten by crowd | Philadelphia Daily News | 04/27/2010 (http://www.philly.com/philly/news/homepage/20100427_Concertgoers_show_the_Reich_stuff__are_be aten_by_crowd.html - broken link)
It's very irresponsible of the media to encourage and applaud the mob's behavior like that.

So what if the three guys showed up in Nazi gear? As long as they're not bothering or harassing others, what gives the mob the right to beat them up? They went there to enjoy a concert, not to cause trouble. They have a right to express themselves in a non-violent way which they did.

All people involved in the unlawful attack should be charged with a hate crime, since they clearly attacked these guys because of the color of their skin.
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Old 04-28-2010, 10:52 AM
 
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Suggesting one group of people is more important than another goes to the very heart of what racism is about, yes?

This is two way street, we can't pick and choose who's freedoms we are going to protect based on their ideology. As long as group of people is staying within the law and not infringing on the rights or others they most certainly have a right to exist, have the right to express their beliefs and deserve equal protection under the law.
The assertion was that this was a hate crime. And it clearly was not.
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Old 04-28-2010, 10:54 AM
 
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All people involved in the unlawful attack should be charged with a hate crime, since they clearly attacked these guys because of the color of their skin.
They were not attacked because of the color of their skin, they were attacked because of their political idealogy. Attacks because of political idealogy are not considered hate crimes.
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Old 04-28-2010, 10:58 AM
 
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[quote=thecoalman;13942782]Suggesting one group of people is more important than another goes to the very heart of what racism is about, yes?

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No. Suggesting that one race is more important, superior etc is what racism is about. racism. This would go under discrimination based on Nazi idealogy. And no I'm not too concerned about it.
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Old 04-28-2010, 10:58 AM
 
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The assertion was that this was a hate crime. And it clearly was not.
Wikipedia defines it as this:

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Hate crimes (also known as bias-motivated crimes) occur when a perpetrator targets a victim because of his or her perceived membership in a certain social group, usually defined by racial group, religion, sexual orientation, disability, class, ethnicity, nationality, age, gender, gender identity, or political affiliation.
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Old 04-28-2010, 11:00 AM
 
Location: South Bay Native
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They were not attacked because of the color of their skin, they were attacked because of their political idealogy. Attacks because of political idealogy are not considered hate crimes.
I've always wanted to play the devil's advocate, so here goes....I don't think they were attacked for their political ideology, they were attacked for their attire. Unless they were spouting Nazi rhetoric while prancing around in their silly costumes, I don't think the crowd would have known what their political ideology actually was. Unless they concluded that simply based on the costumes they were wearing - which would be prejudice, no?
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