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Nice personal attack.
Perhaps you should read the post I responded to.
As an owner, I get to choose if I want your money, not you.
You better check the laws, the only reason for refusal of service, would be a violation of store policies. Anything other could be viewed as discrimination.
Gee,the anti-gun people have such a low intelligence...
Leave your holier than thou non-sense at the door. Criticizing other peoples intelligence because your points are illogical and based around a selfish point of view. You are acting like a child that screams "you're so stupid!" because they didn't get their way.
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We r not talking about entering a HOME armed,
we talk about PRIVATE property for PUBLIC or COMMERCIAL use...
Do u get it now..?
No, not really. Private is private is private.
So many Americans think that the world revolves around them.
Walk into a nice restaurant and start yelling explitives. When you get kicked out, was your right to freedom of speech infringed?
Since when does your desire to exercise your rights impede a private business owners right to conduct their establishment in the way THEY see fit?
Just like the smoking people who think the world revolves around them. Pathetic.
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It is for PUBLIC use & for COMMERCIAL purposes...
Owned and operated by a private person.
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So, I repeat,the owners of those premises cannot deny entry to blondes, pregnant, blacks, Jews, homos, disabled...
You are right. However, I dont see guns in your list.
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They should not prohibit entry to gun bearers...
And thats your opinion, because you hold no value to the rights of people who spend their own money and invest in their own private enterprise, and instead all you can do is sit on a forum and yell and scream about YOUR rights. Me me me me me.
Samurai had no problem respecting a Tea house by leaving their weapons at the door. Mutual respect and honoring the rights of all does matter.
A fair adjustment of the rights of all should a city decide it's against open carry is to allow visitors to check their weapons in at the door in custodial care. Open society needs to provide a way for those who do carry to stay in compliance with the law and not put them in situations where they're damned if they do and damned if they don't. I'm against that too. People who feel the need to carry everywhere at all times can choose not to go to these cities.
The story of luby's cafeteria-- the police being on scene and passively witnessing this man shoot this womans mother speaks to me of poor policy. They should have shot to kill this man the moment they arrived if he was continuing his assassinations. Once she was safely out of the building she could have gone to her car to get that gun and take him our herself. She did no such thing, deferring to an authority that didn't get exercised in timely way.
City restrictions were often contested and rightly so. Back then, cites were extremely small and the local constable was more capable of keeping the peace concerning law violators. Even then, those towns which instituted them were often a point of contest with their blanket laws. One might be able to make an argument back then in a small town, but today there is no foundation for such.
Fast forward to today and the police have no clue who is in the city or how dangerous they are. They do not check everyone who enters the city insuring they do not carry while in town, it is impractical to even think it possible. Due to this, it is reasonable for an individual to expect they can carry within the city in order to insure their own protection which can not be provided by the police, as you mentioned with an example.
As for "private" establishments, this is within the bounds of the property holders rights to determine who they do business with and how it will be conducted. It is practical to expect that you may not be allowed to carry within a certain business, not so in a city as I explained. They are simply too large to govern with any reasonable efficiency within this manner. As is often stated, only the law abiding citizens end up defenseless in such requirements which results in the law abiding suffering at the hands of criminals that abuse them.
Why should I have to provide storage for your weapons?
I'm probably not going to bother going to places where I feel so unsafe that I must carry a weapon.
Your weapon is no reason for me to incur extra expense.
Don't eat in my restaurant if you don't want to follow my rules.
You don't, this was simply a result of the business in those past times. Usually when businesses provide such, they also attempt to remedy the issue. For instance, some places will provide a tie and jacket to accommodate cases that were unaware or could not oblige such a request at that time. They don't have to do such, they do it because they do not wish to alienate part of their consumer base. If a business does not wish to do such, then they can certainly refuse.
Again though, a business exists to make money and those businesses that spend more time attending to politics without practical reasoning, well... unless they have a die hard consumer group, they usually go out of business.
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