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View Poll Results: Do Republicans understand the definition "Communism", or "Socialism" ???
They are totally clueless 42 48.28%
They know but just use it as inflammatory rhetoric 21 24.14%
Not sure 2 2.30%
Whatever Beck says is the truth 22 25.29%
Voters: 87. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 05-03-2010, 12:49 AM
 
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It gets thrown around here all the time and frankly it's embarrassing. Do they not know or understand the definitions? Or is this just cheap hyperbole?
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Old 05-03-2010, 06:14 AM
 
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It gets thrown around here all the time and frankly it's embarrassing. Do they not know or understand the definitions? Or is this just cheap hyperbole?
They use those terms just to demonize anything Obama says or does....they have NO clue what they mean..

AND it's funny...they scream Communist and Socialist all the while promoting/encouraging/applauding/praising FASCIST doctrine....those poor dolts....
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Old 05-03-2010, 06:27 AM
 
Location: North America
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Everyone with a (D) after their name, is labeled Socialist. It's used as the great boogeyman of the election season.
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Old 05-03-2010, 06:41 AM
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Location: North Central Florida
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I think that those words are used as a generic term to encompass "Totalitarian"..........

While one can pick nits, and use semantics to attempt to make themselves appear to have superior intellect, they do in fact understand the spirit in which said statement was made.

Of course not agreeing with said statement, the need for deflection, and demonization arises. Thus threads like this one come along.

Socialism, Communism, and Fascism are all examples of a totalitarian mindset. Just different flavors, as it were........but all end up oppressing some, at the expense of others.

There have been government run socialistic policies in the US since at least 1935, and maybe earlier if one cares to dig back further. Perhaps the reason why some groups seem to do better than others?

YC.......
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Old 05-03-2010, 07:27 AM
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I prefer the terms leftist, left winger etc. they put all the clowns under one big top.
Leftist ideologies encompass some or all of tenets of socialism, anarchism. communism, social democracy and social liberalism.

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Old 05-03-2010, 07:47 AM
 
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I prefer the terms leftist, left winger etc. they put all the clowns under one big top.
Leftist ideologies encompass some or all of tenets of socialism, anarchism. communism, social democracy and social liberalism.
Rightist's ideologies encompass ALL the tenets of Fascism.
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Old 05-03-2010, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Do Democrats understand the definition of Obama inspired corporate fascism?

Goldman, Fannie, Freddie, oh my!
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Old 05-03-2010, 07:53 AM
 
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Do Democrats understand the definition of Obama inspired corporate fascism?

Goldman, Fannie, Freddie, oh my!

So...TARP was Obama's idea? Please xpand.
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Old 05-03-2010, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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So...TARP was Obama's idea? Please xpand.
I didn't say Obama was the only corproate fascist in the crowd, just that he's the most religious one. Geithner is a good pastor spreading the Word of their religion.
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Old 05-03-2010, 07:57 AM
 
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The Repug/righties are the biggest best proponents of number 9 ...and all the rest: 14 POINTS OF FASCISM


1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism

From the prominent displays of flags and bunting to the ubiquitous lapel pins, the fervor to show patriotic nationalism, both on the part of the regime itself and of citizens caught up in its frenzy, was always obvious. Catchy slogans, pride in the military, and demands for unity were common themes in expressing this nationalism. It was usually coupled with a suspicion of things foreign that often bordered on xenophobia.
2. Disdain for the importance of human rights

The regimes themselves viewed human rights as of little value and a hindrance to realizing the objectives of the ruling elite. Through clever use of propaganda, the population was brought to accept these human rights abuses by marginalizing, even demonizing, those being targeted. When abuse was egregious, the tactic was to use secrecy, denial, and disinformation.
3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause

The most significant common thread among these regimes was the use of scapegoating as a means to divert the people’s attention from other problems, to shift blame for failures, and to channel frustration in controlled directions. The methods of choice—relentless propaganda and disinformation—were usually effective. Often the regimes would incite “spontaneous” acts against the target scapegoats, usually communists, socialists, liberals, Jews, ethnic and racial minorities, traditional national enemies, members of other religions, secularists, homosexuals, and “terrorists.” Active opponents of these regimes were inevitably labeled as terrorists and dealt with accordingly.
4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism

Ruling elites always identified closely with the military and the industrial infrastructure that supported it. A disproportionate share of national resources was allocated to the military, even when domestic needs were acute. The military was seen as an expression of nationalism, and was used whenever possible to assert national goals, intimidate other nations, and increase the power and prestige of the ruling elite.
5. Rampant sexism

Beyond the simple fact that the political elite and the national culture were male-dominated, these regimes inevitably viewed women as second-class citizens. They were adamantly anti-abortion and also homophobic. These attitudes were usually codified in Draconian laws that enjoyed strong support by the orthodox religion of the country, thus lending the regime cover for its abuses.
6. A controlled mass media

Under some of the regimes, the mass media were under strict direct control and could be relied upon never to stray from the party line. Other regimes exercised more subtle power to ensure media orthodoxy. Methods included the control of licensing and access to resources, economic pressure, appeals to patriotism, and implied threats. The leaders of the mass media were often politically compatible with the power elite. The result was usually success in keeping the general public unaware of the regimes’ excesses.
7. Obsession with national security

Inevitably, a national security apparatus was under direct control of the ruling elite. It was usually an instrument of oppression, operating in secret and beyond any constraints. Its actions were justified under the rubric of protecting “national security,” and questioning its activities was portrayed as unpatriotic or even treasonous.
8. Religion and ruling elite tied together

Unlike communist regimes, the fascist and protofascist regimes were never proclaimed as godless by their opponents. In fact, most of the regimes attached themselves to the predominant religion of the country and chose to portray themselves as militant defenders of that religion. The fact that the ruling elite’s behavior was incompatible with the precepts of the religion was generally swept under the rug. Propaganda kept up the illusion that the ruling elites were defenders of the faith and opponents of the “godless.” A perception was manufactured that opposing the power elite was tantamount to an attack on religion.
9. Power of corporations protected

Although the personal life of ordinary citizens was under strict control, the ability of large corporations to operate in relative freedom was not compromised. The ruling elite saw the corporate structure as a way to not only ensure military production (in developed states), but also as an additional means of social control. Members of the economic elite were often pampered by the political elite to ensure a continued mutuality of interests, especially in the repression of “have-not” citizens.
10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated

Since organized labor was seen as the one power center that could challenge the political hegemony of the ruling elite and its corporate allies, it was inevitably crushed or made powerless. The poor formed an underclass, viewed with suspicion or outright contempt. Under some regimes, being poor was considered akin to a vice.
11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts

Intellectuals and the inherent freedom of ideas and expression associated with them were anathema to these regimes. Intellectual and academic freedom were considered subversive to national security and the patriotic ideal. Universities were tightly controlled; politically unreliable faculty harassed or eliminated. Unorthodox ideas or expressions of dissent were strongly attacked, silenced, or crushed. To these regimes, art and literature should serve the national interest or they had no right to exist.
12. Obsession with crime and punishment

Most of these regimes maintained Draconian systems of criminal justice with huge prison populations. The police were often glorified and had almost unchecked power, leading to rampant abuse. “Normal” and political crime were often merged into trumped-up criminal charges and sometimes used against political opponents of the regime. Fear, and hatred, of criminals or “traitors” was often promoted among the population as an excuse for more police power.
13. Rampant cronyism and corruption

Those in business circles and close to the power elite often used their position to enrich themselves. This corruption worked both ways; the power elite would receive financial gifts and property from the economic elite, who in turn would gain the benefit of government favoritism. Members of the power elite were in a position to obtain vast wealth from other sources as well: for example, by stealing national resources. With the national security apparatus under control and the media muzzled, this corruption was largely unconstrained and not well understood by the general population.
14. Fraudulent elections

Elections in the form of plebiscites or public opinion polls were usually bogus. When actual elections with candidates were held, they would usually be perverted by the power elite to get the desired result. Common methods included maintaining control of the election machinery, intimidating and disenfranchising opposition voters, destroying or disallowing legal votes, and, as a last resort, turning to a judiciary beholden to the power elite.

NOTE: The above 14 Points was written in 2004 by Dr. Laurence Britt, a political scientist. Dr. Britt studied the fascist regimes of: Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile).
Does any of this sound familiar? As America sinks deeper and deeper into corporate greed will this country continue to be a democracy by the people and for the people or will it be ruled by the few? Will the trinity of money, power and greed over come one of the greatest countries in the world? Only we, the people, can keep it free. SPEAK OUT AND LET YOUR THOUGHTS BE KNOWN...ONLY BY SILENCE WILL WE BE DEFEATED!



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