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It is and very profitable I might add, just ask Limbaugh or Beck. For an even more serious case of brainwashing, look no further than the NeoConned Americans who supported the Iraq War.
Or the Obamabots who NOW support the war they used to complain about simply because "their guy" is now running the show, and can always claim it to be Bush's war?
There has been an extremely high level of "brain washing" that has been focussed on creating the illusion that there are two competing forces within the political structure ... and it has worked quite well on you, I see.
The fact that large segments of the population have most certainly been brainwashed, as mirrored by the idiocy well demonstrated on the board for which almost every issue discussed quickly degenerates into a cowboys-redskins game played out as Obama versus Bush, I'd say that very few would see themselves as included in the victim list.
For clarification ... if you immediately respond ... "well Bush did such and such" or "So and so must be listening to too much Rush Limpjaw" or the other side which claims that Obama is the primary cause for all our problems ... YOU ARE BRAINWASHED.
Bush ... Obama ... all of the talking heads on TV are ALL ACTORS. Obama is no more the "decider" than Bush ever was. They are just the actors on the public stage to convince the sheeple that they have a choice ... that their vote makes a difference .. that their "guy" is THE GUY to fix everything.
And until the majority of the sleeping idiots wake up, NOTHING will change for the better.
If you believe that the democrats and republicans really are opposing each other ... you are hopelessly stuck in this fantasy world that has been created for you by the brain washers.
Nothing new, really.
A few pages right out of the Communist Manifesto.
They've been hiding behind various names and organizations for a century and they also have a tenacity like none other!
Patient, persistent and methodical......but with ONE goal in mind and determination to achieve it.
They WILL use as many as they NEED.......until they no longer need any but their "own" in TOTAL control and on a global scale.
Yeah, it IS obvious and to deny what is so obvious is just plain stupid.......unless you have been thoroughly brainwashed, mind-wiped, or possess such a faith and loyalty to all you've ever known and believed........you basically, allow a takeover to happen.
"NO WAY, NO how that could EVER happen here in America.....now" they all say.
HOW can they continue to IGNORE what has become soooo obvious?
And....under BOTH parties' watch for a very long time!
The stages and what he defines as each.....is what I found most compelling in the video.
We're well into the final stages now and yes, it's a FACT I can't seem to deny......sadly.
I almost wish I could though.....but a nice, tiny, tropical island in the middle of nowhere ocean, without ANY form of contact might help.
Yeah, I suppose a lot of folks won't believe any of this could ever become a reality in America.....and that the MSM will continue to omit or distort whatever is the truth.
I am not allowed to rep you right now so let me say that among others this is one of the best explanatory posts of this thread. I am sure that many who have been influenced by the crap won't want to see what you say, however.
I haven't seen all of this video as I am on dial-up so it takes awhile. However, I have two words for you...
conversational hypnosis. (I'd love to say more, but I can't)
Are you accusing the Russian of something other than probably telling the truth?
Nothing new, really.
A few pages right out of the Communist Manifesto.
They've been hiding behind various names and organizations for a century and they also have a tenacity like none other!
Patient, persistent and methodical......but with ONE goal in mind and determination to achieve it.
They WILL use as many as they NEED.......until they no longer need any but their "own" in TOTAL control and on a global scale.
Yeah, it IS obvious and to deny what is so obvious is just plain stupid.......unless you have been thoroughly brainwashed, mind-wiped, or possess such a faith and loyalty to all you've ever known and believed........you basically, allow a takeover to happen.
"NO WAY, NO how that could EVER happen here in America.....now" they all say.
HOW can they continue to IGNORE what has become soooo obvious?
And....under BOTH parties' watch for a very long time!
The stages and what he defines as each.....is what I found most compelling in the video.
We're well into the final stages now and yes, it's a FACT I can't seem to deny......sadly.
I almost wish I could though.....but a nice, tiny, tropical island in the middle of nowhere ocean, without ANY form of contact might help.
Yeah, I suppose a lot of folks won't believe any of this could ever become a reality in America.....and that the MSM will continue to omit or distort whatever is the truth.
You've got the idea ... but taken just a bit deeper ... this isn't really about "communism", as this is just another creation of the true source of the problems .. the financial oligarchy who also happen to be the creators of crony capitalism, and fascism too.
These creations are simply illusions designed to misdirect attention away from the true perpetrators by creating political gamesmanship of competing country against country under phony idealogical differences. But there really are NO DIFFERENCES.
1) Capitalism - (alleged free market system) directly controlled by the bankers through the control of capital set up a system of financial control and slavery where the big winners are the banks and the big losers are the worker or the common people.
2) Fascism - is the merging of government and corporations where corporations reap the benefits while the government maintains control over the population by means of force.
3) Communism - where government controls all aspects of the economy and where private property or private business is outlawed .. all to protect the people, of course, from the evil Fascists and Capitalists .
4) Socialism - See #3 Communism with a
All of these competing systems are an illusion, designed to protect the anonymity of the money men who control these competing interests, and take their profits from the economic production of each .. and the profits of war between them.
See: the history of the Rothschilds for a detailed history of who is behind all of this.
The Truth Seeker - The History of the House of Rothschild Part I (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=4277 - broken link)
PS: No need to construct a "tin foil hat" ... all that is required is a reasonable IQ ... ability to read .. and the common sense to question the possibility of 250 years of coincidences being random and unconnected.
people need to realize that 'brainwashing' is just INSTRUCTION
take a baby;
teach it that what we know to be blue is red, what we know to be a wall is a floor. and that is what they will KNOW
its like the liberals of today, they will say "we are not socialist" and the republicans are fascists.....YET.....if you look at their policies...they reflect socialism, fascism, and communism with in a peramiter..............see the problem is we are INDOCTURINATED (learned, taught, knowledge) that these ISM's are DEFINED as this...when they are all part of each other
K12 most engenius social engineering machine ever built. last 40 years taught european american culture was shameful and evil. carefully programmed self hatred, guilt, and docile behavior in the face of abuse. this has been deeply infused in our young people. it has reaped a rich crop of failure.
reverse hitler youth, instead of a crop of confident disciplined aggressive warriors , our K12 system raised a crop of losers.
Are you accusing the Russian of something other than probably telling the truth?
I finished viewing the video and I took notes.
1) demoralize a nation, takes 15-20 years to complete (education America's lack of moral standards) completed in 1985, when video was shot.??? (what is he trying to get us to believe about ourselves, America?)
The 60's was a generation of kids that said to their parents, we understand that dad, you are a brick layer (lawyer, doctor, etc) and that our family has been (pick one) for generations, but we are going to pursue something else.
Rolling stones--Beatles--the year of Rock-N-Roll, with parents going omg, our kids are immoral. ha! Our kids continue to digress. Or do they???
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Change the perception of reality...
What generation after generation has done is said, we can think for ourselves thank you very much. (as they get more brave to break the mold) We are going to go do, what we want to and we do not care what any one else thinks about it. (is that brainwashing, if so by whom?) And in what generation in what time in our history did this suddenly begin?
When does brainwashing become an independent thought, clear of influence?
2) (in) destabilization, 2-5 years to complete (whether you get fat and eat junk food it doesn't matter any more)
economy
foreign relations
defense systems
McDonalds was not on the chopping block in 1985, so where does he get the junk food slant? I'm trying to remember the first time I had a donald burger. (70's) Also, please give a year that the sub headings are not an issue and then suddenly they become one.
Change the perception of reality...good luck with that.
3) (in) crises (6-weeks)
Tell when we have not had one, a crisis, and then it has suddenly become an issue.
4) (in) normalization (lasts indefinitely)
Roy, to brainwash an entire nation is to say, no one in the entire nation can think for themselves. See children of the 60's and past, present and future to know, kids do change the environment in which they live in...demoralization comes from each decade of new ideas. (copied from other cultures in which they say, that's cool, we will do it too)
...but if we change the perception of reality--then they are not immoral, but independent thinkers, that are growing up to take jobs in our government.
Also in order to brainwash a nation one must get the whole nation to believe they are worthless. They lack motivation, self-esteem, and to become self-conscious of being different.
There maybe some that can be affected by that view, but not the whole. Some where along the way, people as evidence presents itself, will say...I don't think so.
Conversational hypnosis (please look it up as it is a discredited, but used) is this little dude telling us something we don't already know. Is this additional information or is this an affirmation?
What is he trying to get us to believe? What has changed? Our perception of reality? Did that change?
When has our perception of reality ever changed? So I am saying that the Russian is not telling us something we do not already know and understand. Could be he brought with him his, reality of perception? There are similarity so boom---America has become like Russia use to be. Remember this is 1985 he's talking and a lot has transpired over the years between now and then.
What the Russian is saying is something that every one can relate to. So since many can relate to it, many say, their is an emergency come right away, we have to stop this. Stop what? Nothing has changed.
Roy I took humanities in college, and concluded that people's behavior is the same today; since the beginning of time.
Why would any one want to get people to believe their behavior is changing when indeed it has not, is beyond me. but it does happen...
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When their job is completed they are not needed any more. they may think they will come to power. but they won't...
Too brainwash an entire nation would mean that you must get every one to believe the same thing about themselves that the other one believes and...I don't believe any one can get that accomplished. We have a brain and we know how to use it.
Too brainwash an entire nation would mean that you must get every one to believe the same thing about themselves that the other one believes and...I don't believe any one can get that accomplished. We have a brain and we know how to use it.
No, you do not need everyone..just a majority. That majority will support and vote en masse for whatever is pushed. They don't need everyone to do that. Those not with the program, as you can see today, are labeled and ridiculed and ostracized verbally and very pubically by those in power.
Regarding this Times Square bomber..some politician speculated that it could have been a member of the Tea Party. How's that for influencing what Americans "should" think ?
Roy, to brainwash an entire nation is to say, no one in the entire nation can think for themselves. See children of the 60's and past, present and future to know, kids do change the environment in which they live in...demoralization comes from each decade of new ideas. (copied from other cultures in which they say, that's cool, we will do it too).
I wanted to specifically address a couple of issues here, as this may help you to see what you truly are failing to see on your own without dissecting the entire post. I'm not trying to be selective, just brief.
You speak of children of the 60's .. and what do you recall of that? Maybe the age of LSD perhaps ? ... the sexual revolution ? ... the open use of marijuana ? ... flower power and peace, love and Rock & Roll ?
Do you think these things just appeared out of thin air? Do you think a group of hippies sat down and formulated LSD ? No! LSD was produced in a laboratory, and was a drug used extensively by the CIA (the history of this is well documented). The dispersal of LSD into the crowds of the antiwar generation at that point was a mind control experiment that really backfired .. as did the idea that flooding this generation of "activists" with marijuana and LSD would literally put them in a state of comatose apathy and self absorption ... weak and passive. Their ideas and their will to confront the "establishment" was an unanticipated consequence that was aided by a generation of musicians and their anti-war message. There were numerous programs of mind control ... one of the most publicized later was the CIA's MK Ultra that began in the 50's and continued through the late 60's -early 70's, and was brought to light of day and debated in Congress in the mid 1970's. Do some research on MK Ultra.
Another of these destabilization techniques employed was the "Sexual Revolution" .. I know I'll get grief from the feminists on this but the truth is the truth .. Gloria Steinam was a CIA asset, and the spearhead to the feminist movement who's purpose was to destabilize the traditional family, and create a breakdown between men and women. Much too much on the subject to address here ... you need to research this yourself.
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...but if we change the perception of reality--then they are not immoral, but independent thinkers, that are growing up to take jobs in our government.
Also in order to brainwash a nation one must get the whole nation to believe they are worthless. They lack motivation, self-esteem, and to become self-conscious of being different.
No, this is just single dimensional thinking on your part .. way too simplistic. The "divide and conquer" tactic is far more closely illustrative of what was employed ... you don't need EVERYONE to believe the same thing ... you just need most of them to believe something other than the truth .. and let them fight amongst themselves arguing which side holds the truth, when in reality neither side does. And they themselves will quash and sensor anyone that actually tries to disseminate the real truth.
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There maybe some that can be affected by that view, but not the whole. Some where along the way, people as evidence presents itself, will say...I don't think so.
Wrong again. This "some" you refer to suggests to me that you don't consider yourself part of that "some" ... you're just too smart for that, am I right? Well, I'm sorry to say you display all of the warning signs of being part of that "some", which I contend makes up a majority. The first clue is the denial ... and your attempt to marginalize the impact to just "some".
The level of mind control in the media is absolutely OFF THE CHARTS, and runs 24/7 .. from explicit sexual content subliminally hidden in childhood films from Walt Disney, to episodes of 24 and its overt advertising of the value and legitimacy of "torture", and it's subtle but clear championing of a a police state where surveillance is EVERYWHERE and at the fingertips of those who chase "terrorists" 24 hours a day. AND EVERYWHERE IN BETWEEN.
The cable news set up to repeat every hour on the hour 24 hours a day isn't set up this way for your convenience .. it is set up that way to repeat, repeat, repeat .. over and over and over ... the mind control propaganda. Jesus ... the very electronic structure of how audio/video is delivered on your TV set is designed to put you in a catatonic state .. which is particularly conducive to "suggestion". Oh yeah baby .. this is some real "tin foil hat" stuff I'm spreading now, huh? DO THE RESEARCH. It is a fact. I don't engage in "Conspiracy Theories" I engage in "Conspiracy Facts". Even the term "Conspiracy Theory" is an extremely damaging element of mind control ... it's the FIRST RESPONSE you get from the brainwashed when presented with any information that doesn't fit their programming. (And someone here will respond to this post EACTLY like that ... "I'm a conspiracy nut". No, those who do this are a brain washed sheople who haven't a clue they are being herded and fleeced.)
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Conversational hypnosis (please look it up as it is a discredited, but used) is this little dude telling us something we don't already know. Is this additional information or is this an affirmation?
Look into Neural Linguistic Programming ... and search for an extensive paper written by experts in the field about Obama's EXPERT, HIGHLY TRAINED use of NLP. There is another world for which you are currently unaware ... have no perception of.
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What is he trying to get us to believe? What has changed? Our perception of reality? Did that change?
When has our perception of reality ever changed? So I am saying that the Russian is not telling us something we do not already know and understand. Could be he brought with him his, reality of perception? There are similarity so boom---America has become like Russia use to be. Remember this is 1985 he's talking and a lot has transpired over the years between now and then.
I don't know how old you are personally .. but if you are younger than say 30 or 35, you really have no basis or foundation on which to even evaluate whether there has been change or not. Change is not drastic .. but is incremental ... the frog in the pan thing ... you don't dunk him into boiling water, he'll jump out ... you slowly increase the temp and he'll stay there and cook.
I'm 52, and I see an UNBELIEVABLE amount of change, none the least of which happens to be the rarity of anyone possessing an intellect and an IQ that could beat a garden vegetable in a game of checkers. The ability to draw upon common sense and utilize critical thought is as rare as diamonds, while the ability to rationalize and accept as truth the most insane, backward logic is the rule rather than the exception.
NOTHING that relates to the fundamental nature of long held (at least believed by the people) American principles of America being the good guy .. protecting the world from evil aggressors, and conducting ourselves and even our military actions in an honorable way can be found today. No ... the normalization of ABNORMAL is virtually complete. Now we openly debate the value of torture .. when just 20 years ago, you'd be hard pressed to find anyone that would do anything but strongly condemn such a thing.
Preemptive War? Not America of 25 years ago ... we didn't invade other countries, or at least we didn't admit it and rationalize it's legality. (or so the people believed ... even though we actually did these things, the people were led to believe we did not, and that all of our actions were honorable).
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Roy I took humanities in college, and concluded that people's behavior is the same today; since the beginning of time.
If you can draw a conclusion that is remotely accurate, you won't do so in the setting of a college or university .. the center of the liberal mind Fvck massive control program. K thru 12 is there to prepare the young palettes (a sort of human tenderizing and marinating) for the picture that is to be painted at that level. Brother .. there is more BS in a college class room than there is in a pasture on a 100,000 acre Texas Cattle Ranch.
But of course, I'm sure .. if such a massive mind control program existed to change the perceptions of the masses .. they would point this out to you and say ... see ? .... see how everything has changed? PLEASE !
Sorry, but you need to read about "intellectuals", heres a really good piece:
Moral of the story: You can say anything, including complete nonsense, and "intellectuals" will accept it, embrace it, and praise it, as long as it flatters their preconceived ideology. Corollary: With intellectuals, facts do not matter.
I think I can go from corollary to theorem. As intellectuals become teachers and professors, they will tend to promote (give good grades to) those who flatter their preconceived ideology. Therefore, in time, schools, universities, and the entire education industry will become one big, fact-free, self-admiration society with one ideology. The anti-hegemons become the hegemon.
Facts will become like prayers and cigarettes: all but banned in public. More exactly, inconvenient facts will be banned. The few facts that support the preconceived ideology will still be allowed -- not because intellectuals believe in facts and rationality (such Western white male constructs!), but because facts can be useful propaganda tools.
Here's how it goes. The fact that satellite measurements since 1979 indicate that northern hemisphere sea ice has shrunk over the last thirty years is allowed in the public arena. Indeed, such a fact is extrapolated to prima facie evidence of catastrophic man-made global warming. The fact that similar measurements indicate that the southern hemisphere has more sea ice and that it grew is not allowed.
The fact that Christians killed heretics and non-believers in the Spanish Inquisition is allowed. In fact, it is trumpeted to push any of a variety of those preconceived ideologies: Religion kills, white people kill, Stalin was no worse than you. The facts that the Spanish Inquisition killed perhaps thirty-five thousand people some five centuries ago, while godless communism killed one hundred million within the last century, are not allowed.
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Too brainwash an entire nation would mean that you must get every one to believe the same thing about themselves that the other one believes and...I don't believe any one can get that accomplished. We have a brain and we know how to use it.
There are none so enslaved as a slave who thinks he's free .. and of course, those who are victims of thought manipulation only know it if it DIDN'T work on them.
Are ya following me here? Your denial of this is the clue that you don't see what is being done to you ... what has been done to you.
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