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Old 05-09-2010, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Old 05-10-2010, 10:05 AM
 
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Gordon Brown has just announced his intention to stand down.

This is to enable negotiations to start with the Lib Dems with a view to forming a "Progressive Coalition".

It was widely accepted that Gordon Brown was considered to be a major obstacle to a Labour/Lib Dem coalition. By removing this obstacle, that coalition becomes much more likely.
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Old 05-10-2010, 11:51 AM
 
Location: London, U.K.
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Gordon Brown has just announced his intention to stand down.

This is to enable negotiations to start with the Lib Dems with a view to forming a "Progressive Coalition".

It was widely accepted that Gordon Brown was considered to be a major obstacle to a Labour/Lib Dem coalition. By removing this obstacle, that coalition becomes much more likely.
Hurrah! PR here we come! Maybe

Annoyingly Labour have proposed a better voting system (AV+) than the liberals (STV).
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Old 05-11-2010, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Gordon Brown has just announced his intention to stand down.

This is to enable negotiations to start with the Lib Dems with a view to forming a "Progressive Coalition".

It was widely accepted that Gordon Brown was considered to be a major obstacle to a Labour/Lib Dem coalition. By removing this obstacle, that coalition becomes much more likely.
Not.quite.

Considering the absolute mess the Labor party has left their economy, I almost hoped that there would have been a Labor/Lib coalition and then in a year down the road, the Conservatives would have swept to a majority.

David Cameron Becomes Prime Minister: Tory Leader Heads To Buckingham Palace To Form New Government | Politics | Sky News

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Tory leader David Cameron has entered Number 10 Downing Street as Prime Minister for the first time - and said: "This is going to be hard and difficult work."
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Old 05-12-2010, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Conservative-Liberal Democrat coalition deal: full text | Politics | guardian.co.uk

For anyone who wants to research the facts instead of looking silly and saying the Brits have rejected "liberal" policies.

Many of these positions are to the left of our two major parties.
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Old 05-12-2010, 11:48 AM
 
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Not.quite.

Considering the absolute mess the Labor party has left their economy, I almost hoped that there would have been a Labor/Lib coalition and then in a year down the road, the Conservatives would have swept to a majority.

David Cameron Becomes Prime Minister: Tory Leader Heads To Buckingham Palace To Form New Government | Politics | Sky News
Itr looks like opposition within the Labour party to a coalition was what sank the idea of a Lib/Lab coalition. The reasons for this are partly historical and partly pragmatic.

Historically, the memory of Ramsey MacDonald weighs very heavily on the Labour party and the disaster of that coalition. There has always been an element in the Labour party that is opposed to coalitions in principle.

Pragmatically, Labour are gambling that the Lib/Con coalition will be a disaster. That they will have to take very unpopular decisions, that there will be a lot of infighting and that those elements will cost them in a future election. Senior Labour figures such as John Reid and David Blunkett came out strongly against a coalition. The problem for Labour is 1) that they now have a leadership election and that could get very messy if past history is anything to go by and 2) the Lib/Con coalition might actually work.

I thought it was intereting to read the Lib/Con agreement:

BBC News - Full Text: Conservative-Lib Dem deal

A manifesto for American style conservatism it is not Certainly they want to tackle the deficit but so did Labour. Increased funding for the NHS, a review of whether to renew Trident (nuclear deterrent), reduced tax for lower and middle income earners taking precedence over reductions to inheritance tax, reform of the banking system, political reform including a referendum on voting reform, etc. etc. All the sorts of things that an Obama supporter could vote for

So, while some American conservatives (small C) might be having wet dreams over the idea that a Conservative (big C) is forming the government, the substance of their policies tells a very different story. In fact, this is a victory for moderates in Britian. For people who want fiscal prudence, but who belive in fairness and social justice.
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Old 05-12-2010, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Itr looks like opposition within the Labour party to a coalition was what sank the idea of a Lib/Lab coalition. The reasons for this are partly historical and partly pragmatic.

Historically, the memory of Ramsey MacDonald weighs very heavily on the Labour party and the disaster of that coalition. There has always been an element in the Labour party that is opposed to coalitions in principle.

Pragmatically, Labour are gambling that the Lib/Con coalition will be a disaster. That they will have to take very unpopular decisions, that there will be a lot of infighting and that those elements will cost them in a future election. Senior Labour figures such as John Reid and David Blunkett came out strongly against a coalition. The problem for Labour is 1) that they now have a leadership election and that could get very messy if past history is anything to go by and 2) the Lib/Con coalition might actually work.

I thought it was intereting to read the Lib/Con agreement:

BBC News - Full Text: Conservative-Lib Dem deal

A manifesto for American style conservatism it is not Certainly they want to tackle the deficit but so did Labour. Increased funding for the NHS, a review of whether to renew Trident (nuclear deterrent), reduced tax for lower and middle income earners taking precedence over reductions to inheritance tax, reform of the banking system, political reform including a referendum on voting reform, etc. etc. All the sorts of things that an Obama supporter could vote for

So, while some American conservatives (small C) might be having wet dreams over the idea that a Conservative (big C) is forming the government, the substance of their policies tells a very different story. In fact, this is a victory for moderates in Britian. For people who want fiscal prudence, but who belive in fairness and social justice.
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Old 05-12-2010, 11:54 AM
 
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Conservatives had an awesome showing, winning far more seats than Labour. The people have had enough of their tax and massive spending policies.

UK exit polls: Tories win most seats, not majority - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100507/ap_on_bi_ge/eu_britain_election;_ylt=AhirDh9IaWC7Dhes4UXCa_WyB hIF;_ylu=X3oDMTJrb2Vwa3BjBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAwNTA3L 2V1X2JyaXRhaW5fZWxlY3Rpb24EY3BvcwMxBHBvcwMyBHNlYwN 5bl90b3Bfc3RvcnkEc2xrA3VrZXhpdHBvbGxzdA-- - broken link)

stop comparing our politics to theirs they at least know what they are doing and dont have a mass of stupid voters who feed off of stupid stuff
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