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Old 05-09-2010, 12:47 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Guns are the last defense to a tyrannical government.

You can pry my freedom from my cold, dead fingers.
And who decides when a government is tyrannical?
Somalia, here we come
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Old 05-09-2010, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Mid Missouri
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When they come on my land to make me conform, that'll be tyrannical.
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Old 05-09-2010, 12:49 PM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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The difference being that unlike guns cars are not designed to kill.
Tell that to Priscilla Ford. Our history is full of energy spent on designing weapons or improvisation of things into weapons. I have had to use a firearm for defensive purposes before, but mainly use them for predator control( which is a defensive purpose) and competition. I enjoy the shooting sports. It gets tiring, al the rhetoric about firearms= violence out of hand. All the drivel about firearms owners 'living in fear' and such. Does a person who practices Aikido or Karate do so because of fear? Shooting is a martial art, and one that can be practiced and enjoyed by folks who are not physically able to practice others. We have several competitors who are in wheelchairs, and shoot at the top of their class. Oh, I'm sure they are petrified just going out the door though, after all, they own GUNS! Firearms are marvelous examples of mechanical engineering. Ballistic science is fascinating stuff, as is the chemistry involved. It all fits together into a precise science, right down to the man behind the trigger. Who must be conditioned and educated if he/she wants to apply the required skills in proper fashion. As in all other endeavors, it runs the gamut of rank beginners to seasoned professionals. Yet all some folks can see is the spew fed them by folks who do not understand, and never will, what the shooting tradition of this nation means. If only they could just keep their choices and views in their own circles, life would be grand.
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Old 05-09-2010, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Covington County, Alabama
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There are not many killers out there, they are not the addressees of that program. It is targeted at the broad population as a whole I guess.
And the broad population as a whole are law abiding citizens. Just more incriminating evidence it is a sham of leftist propaganda.
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Old 05-09-2010, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Covington County, Alabama
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A very valid question for a theoretical debate, but one that is not very relevant in reality for most people.

I'm no street fighter either, but in over 40 years of adult life I have never needed to be. Never - not once. Last time I was picked on was in about 1962 in junior high school. The important lesson I learned from those years was to recognize and avoid troublemakers and their gathering places. And it has always worked. Never did it occur to me that the solution to dealing with problem individuals was to take them on using a gun.

Now, if you live in a neighborhood where you can't walk your own street for fear of assault, the answer is to move - and make more careful choices in the future.
Two slight differences of opinions I see here.
1: everyone just can't pack up and move
2: some had rather fight the bad guys than surrender.
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Old 05-09-2010, 01:02 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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And the broad population as a whole are law abiding citizens. Just more incriminating evidence it is a sham of leftist propaganda.
Well, I guess the reasoning is simply that the smaller the number of guns out there, the lower the likelihood of shots being fired and someone getting hurt or killed by them.
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Old 05-09-2010, 01:04 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Tell that to Priscilla Ford. Our history is full of energy spent on designing weapons or improvisation of things into weapons. I have had to use a firearm for defensive purposes before, but mainly use them for predator control( which is a defensive purpose) and competition. I enjoy the shooting sports. It gets tiring, al the rhetoric about firearms= violence out of hand. All the drivel about firearms owners 'living in fear' and such. Does a person who practices Aikido or Karate do so because of fear? Shooting is a martial art, and one that can be practiced and enjoyed by folks who are not physically able to practice others. We have several competitors who are in wheelchairs, and shoot at the top of their class. Oh, I'm sure they are petrified just going out the door though, after all, they own GUNS! Firearms are marvelous examples of mechanical engineering. Ballistic science is fascinating stuff, as is the chemistry involved. It all fits together into a precise science, right down to the man behind the trigger. Who must be conditioned and educated if he/she wants to apply the required skills in proper fashion. As in all other endeavors, it runs the gamut of rank beginners to seasoned professionals. Yet all some folks can see is the spew fed them by folks who do not understand, and never will, what the shooting tradition of this nation means. If only they could just keep their choices and views in their own circles, life would be grand.
Time to move on, can't stay in the middle ages forever
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Old 05-09-2010, 01:07 PM
 
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There's actually no point to miss. Guns are guns. They're all designed to kill, period. Criminals will kill with whatever gun they can get their hands on. The less floating around the better. The funny thing is, youre actually pretending to be able to profile the type of gun a criminal will use. Just because a gun isn't on the street today doesn't mean it wont be on the street tommorrow. Nobody thought kids on the street would be carrying AK-47s. They use whatever is accessible, a Fox SxS Shotgun kills a lot better than a 9mm or a glock 27 does.
Actually it was the banning of the "Saturday night special" and gun buybacks such as this one that took the cheap and underpowered firearms off the streets (.22-.38 cal) and have lead to more lethal calibers being possessed by street thugs/criminals. Gun bans and buy-back programs have "Unintended Consequences".

The liberal/progressive leadership of Chicago repeats the mistakes of the past and offers up only a "feel good" buyback so as to make the sheep of the city think they are actually doing something to combat violent gang-related street crime.
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Old 05-09-2010, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Covington County, Alabama
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Well, I guess the reasoning is simply that the smaller the number of guns out there, the lower the likelihood of shots being fired and someone getting hurt or killed by them.
I think it is false reasoning. People who have them for defense only don't fire unless needed. Pretty clear to me gun control is a leftist agenda. Period. It doesn't take 20/20 vision to see that. Killers keep their guns and do what they want to do. Guns stored for self defense by law abiding people have no connection to bullets being fired and killing innocent people. The left wants to spin it but it just want turn.
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Old 05-09-2010, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Covington County, Alabama
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Time to move on, can't stay in the middle ages forever
This is not the middle ages. This is the age of self preservation.
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