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The documentation of the scientific analysis of this nano thermitic material found hasn't just been performed here in the United States, but also Denmark, and broadcast on Danish news.
You may continue to claim this doesn't exist, but the evidence is clear. The evidence found is not just constituent elements of thermite, but un-ignited fragments of nano-thermitic material layered and clearly manufactured.
There is no plausible explanation for the existence of this material naturally, nor is it readily available ... it's a restricted substance of military grade explosives.
Hem and haw all you want ... this evidence is the smoking gun, regardless of your diversions and your protestations to the contrary.
Again, this is a false statement, proven by the documentation provided to the PTO for a thermite shaped charge for the purpose of patent protection.
You don't know the first think about patents, do you? The documentation patents an idea. The idea does not necessarily have to actually work.
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The only argument is that the patent was filed in 2006, with the insinuation that such a device didn't exist 5 years earlier.
You again are just making stuff up again, Guy. My position is not just that a thermite shaped charge did not exist in 2001 (which is true). It is that a thermite shaped charge does not exist today.
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In the case of 911, it's not garden variety thermite that is being discussed. The subject is "super thermite" or nano-thermite:
The only difference between nano-thermite and ordinary thermite is the size of the powder particle. It does not magically turn thermite into a shaped charge, or make it a useful tool for severing vertical steel beams.
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Originally Posted by GuyNTexas
You may continue to claim this doesn't exist, but the evidence is clear. The evidence found is not just constituent elements of thermite, but un-ignited fragments of nano-thermitic material layered and clearly manufactured.
You continue to just make stuff up, and it's fascinating. There is in fact no genuine evidence of thermite having been used at any time in association with the events 9/11.
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Originally Posted by GuyNTexas
There is no plausible explanation for the existence of this material naturally, nor is it readily available ... it's a restricted substance of military grade explosives.
You could not have gotten that more completely backwards.
There is not a single facet or feature of the events of 9/11 that is not best explained by terrorists flying large commercial airliners at high speed into WTCs 1&2 and the Pentagon. But even if we were to pretend, arguendo, that 9/11 was an "inside job" there is nothing that thermite could have helped with that isn't better and more reliably performed with other tools.
There is an old analogy that says, "You don't use a sledge hammer to swat flies."
In this case, what you propose is more like using a sledge hammer to write a novel. Not only is the tool massive overkill, it cannot do what you are proposing it did in the first place.
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Originally Posted by GuyNTexas
Hem and haw all you want ... this evidence is the smoking gun, regardless of your diversions and your protestations to the contrary.
Anybody who has ever actually worked with thermite knows better.
Tell me, Guy? Exactly how much thermite have you ever even been in the same room with?
There is no plausible explanation for the existence of this material naturally, nor is it readily available ... it's a restricted substance of military grade explosives.
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In recent years, concentrated phosphoric acids, which may contain as much as 70% to 75% P2O5 content, have become of great importance to agriculture and farm production. World-wide demand for fertilizers has caused record phosphate production. Phosphates are used in the production of special glasses, such as those used for sodium lamps.
Bone-ash, calcium phosphate, is used to create fine chinaware and to produce mono-calcium phosphate, used in baking powder. Phosphorus is also important in the production of steels, phosphor bronze, and many other products. Trisodium phosphate is important as a cleaning agent, as a water softener, and for preventing boiler scale and corrosion of pipes and boiler tubes.
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This is for GuyNTexas, re the "un-ignited fragments of nano-thermitic material layered and clearly manufactured" he claims was found in the WTC dust. I actually got around to reading the paper in detail rather than my initial quick gloss. Here's what I discovered.
1. What they found were "chips" of a bi-layered material: reg on gray. It is indistinguishable in appearance from tiny chips of rust preventing primer paint that would have been all over the load bearing members of the WTC towers.
2. They found four samples of these mysterious "chips," but their chemical analyses appear to show that only two of the four samples are identical. The other two samples are chemically different in two different ways. This poses a problem to the "uber-secret military nano-thermite theory."
Specifically, if these were "clearly manufactured" as a high tech explosive, the manufacturing was unforgivably sloppy. And especially if these are supposed to be (as the paper hints) some sort of carefully engineered explosive film, the contamination and tolerances are unforgivable.
However, if these are simply chips of rust preventing primer paint, you would expect that different samples would be different. After all, just mixing it longer before painting would account for the differences.
3. They claimed to have demonstrated these were unburned "thermitic materials" by going on to burn them and noting that they released more energy than they consumed. The problem is this... to show it was actually a thermitic reaction, they should have burned the chips in the absence of oxygen (thermite burns in a vacuum, the oxygen provided by the ingredients themselves). Instead, they burned the chips in a stream of ordinary air, and so the resulting energy profile is, again, indistinguishable from what would be seen when burning chips of "rust preventing primer paint."
4. All the other analyses I can find on line of dust from the WTC mention that there was a considerable quantity of paint in the dust samples. Yet there is no mention of paint particles within the samples that this paper supposedly analyzed at all. Not a peep.
5. Finally... exactly how are these scientists proposing that a thin layer of thermitic material is going to cut a vertical steel beam? We are talking about severing steel, not toasting a Quizno's sub.
I gotta tell you.... the paper was so pathetic, I couldn't imagine how it ever got published in the first place. But then I discovered that it really wasn't. The "journal" it was published in is a "vanity press." You can publish almost anything in it as long as you're willing to pay for it.
And even then the "hired gun" editor was so humiliated when she discovered this paper had been published, that she resigned immediately afterward.
I have a hard time understanding where the reminants of places were with flighht 93 and the pentagon. I have seen the aftermath of planes that hit the ground and there were leftover parts.. they simply do not vanish.
When the film indicates the plane landed in Cinn... then why isn't there any report or confirmation of that? off all the passenges they were all silenced?...
I do think we knew it was coming of that I have no doubt. I've meet people that were warned not to travel on 9/11 SO they knew something was up and at the least choose to do nothing.
I hate to think anyone would attack us from within in such a nasty manor. But if its true I'm sure we can find an old faulty electric chair that coul;d be brought out of retiurement.
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