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Old 05-11-2010, 11:35 AM
 
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Racism does not motivate most tea party activists, it isn't even something they think about, race s much ore topof mind for liberals.

If there were two candidates, a white male who was a moderate Republican who favored using tax payer dollars to bail out banks and industry and a minority candidate who was against bail outs and stood for less government I have no doubt that the tea partiers would vote for the minority over the white man. Issues mean everything.
Oh they would vote for the minority in your scenario but your scenario is extremely rare.

It's almost always the white man who represents the tea party and he advocates a platform extremely bad for minorities. He wants them harassed by the police to show their "immigration papers"...He wants to eliminate student loans, they want to privatize Social security, lessen unemployment benefits, lessen workers rights, he doesn't want them to have government provided health care.
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Old 05-11-2010, 11:36 AM
 
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I do see a shft and I think it's a WONDERFUL thing! The most recent example is Bennett getting kicked off the ballot at the Utah GOP convention this weekend, He came in third out of three candidates...this is what he deserves because he is not a real conservative. He voted for TARP for example.
Politically, how will this effect the GOP, short term and long term?
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Old 05-11-2010, 11:39 AM
 
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That is their whole schtick. Dividing Americans along cultural and racial lines.

Beware of the gay agenda! Minorities are taking over! Hollywood elites! Big city liberals! They're outlawing prayer! Socialism! Communism! Terrorist sympathizers!

Without stoking this fear and hate the GOP is nothing.

but, the sad thing is...it's not just the Repubs, you see, it's a two way street...and both are doing similar things, trying to appeal to their voters, without having to commit to anything.

once again, i voted for Ron Paul...and i guarantee, you won't see this "game playing" from that man.
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Old 05-11-2010, 11:39 AM
 
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I do see a shift and I think it's a WONDERFUL thing! The most recent example is Bennett getting kicked off the ballot at the Utah GOP convention this weekend, He came in third out of three candidates...this is what he deserves because he is not a real conservative. He voted for TARP for example.
I dont know if he got kicked off because of conservatism, or because people are tired of the same old politicians in office.. Change is often good, but look at the recent election in NJ, for Kennedys seat.. Scott Brown isnt much of a conservative... Just a NEW Republican..
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Old 05-11-2010, 11:43 AM
 
Location: Long Beach
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I think it's safe to say that, with the election of Obama, with the Tea Party, this country is going through some growing pains these days.

We are all fighting for the political and social consciousness of the country. Will we be a center-right or center left country? It may even be viewed in terms of North-South again.

Well only time will tell. We may not know this November or even in 2012. But in the near future.

I've heard discussed by main stream conservatives and of course by liberals that the harder to the right the Republicans go, the faster to the center the voters will move. Voters time and time again will not vote for ultra conservatives. Americans simply aren't that conservative (and conversely liberal). The Tea Party isn't a cross section of America as the media would have it portrayed.

What might happen, is if Tea Party candidates are elected to DC, and they refuse to take their part in the running of government, they won't be around long enough to be remembered. This is being seen already by the "Party of No."

No wonder Americans hate the federal government. Nothing is getting done.

I'll say it again though, the Republicans are nailing their own coffin.
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Old 05-11-2010, 11:45 AM
 
Location: New London County, CT
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I think the hard right turn for the Republican party is great if you are a conservative wanting to win primaries... Doesn't seem to be such a good moving for winning actual elections, however.
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Old 05-11-2010, 11:48 AM
 
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but, the sad thing is...it's not just the Repubs, you see, it's a two way street...and both are doing similar things, trying to appeal to their voters, without having to commit to anything.

once again, i voted for Ron Paul...and i guarantee, you won't see this "game playing" from that man.
Yes they "both" might do that. The typical excuse from a right winger when they are able to find anything on the left.

But in scope and degree the right is all about dividing Americans.

It's not even close.
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Old 05-11-2010, 11:50 AM
 
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Yes they "both" might do that. The typical excuse from a right winger when they are able to find anything on the left.

But in scope and degree the right is all about dividing Americans.

It's not even close.
I'm still waiting for you to list examples of the GOP moving to the hard right.
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Old 05-11-2010, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Long Beach
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I'm still waiting for you to list examples of the GOP moving to the hard right.
The elections in:
Utah
FLA
Penns
Nevada

wherever the Tea Parties are invloved.
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Old 05-11-2010, 11:55 AM
 
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I'm still waiting for you to list examples of the GOP moving to the hard right.
Your'e the only one that seems to disagree with that assertion. Even conservative members have acknowledged it and given examples. Read their posts.
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