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I have an equal disdain for both political parties at the moment. If the Democrats knew how to spend a buck the right way I would lean more left. If the Republicans actually had meaningful ideas on how to boost the economy without wasting their time mudslinging I would lean right. Some may suggest I should lean libertarian but I have my doubts with the hysteria of the tea party brigade.
Here is where I stand....
I do not support abortion, but I also feel it's none of my business to interfere.
I believe gays should have the right to marry.
I support the 2nd ammendment (in rational ways)
I'm not big on unions, support regulated capitalism
Socail services within reason; such as short term unemployment, social security, medicare, but unemployment and welfare should be strict and conditional.
May seem paradoxical to some, I support better control on illegal immigration, however I feel Arizona is going about it the wrong way. Sort of damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Reducing wasteful tax spending
I believe education should be more accessable and not so costly.
I believe in green energy, but also believe in producing domestic oil while going through the transition. I also believe in strict regulation and inspections of the oil industry to prevent catastrophes such as the recent Gulf oil spill. I am also a proponent of nuclear energy.
I often feel very disenchated when voting and wish there were more common sense politicans whose values are more in the middle. I can not stand the polarization of liberals to the left of Castro or conservatives to the right of Atilla the Hun.
So I ask....is there room for political moderates?
That's a Democratic platform where you want to admit or not. Unless pro-union legislation with only a small chance of passing just really really bothers you compared to more pressing issues.
And since you're such a "moderate" why don't you give us a Democratic stance that is to the "left of Castro"?
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That's a Democratic platform where you want to admit or not. Unless pro-union legislation with only a small chance of passing just really really bothers you compared to more pressing issues.
And since you're such a "moderate" why don't you give us a Democratic stance that is to the "left of Castro"?
You posted this same message twice, are you that adament on cornering me to a solid leftist stance? A lot of right wingers (not all) would love to do that since there seems to be little room for compromise within the Republican party.
Reducing wasteful tax spending is a left or democratic stance? That's news to me. Also I'd rather not see social service handouts being given out at every turn, and I also do not support a universal healthcare system. And if you really need an explanation on what is to the left of Castro then sarcasm must have escaped you. I'm not a tree hugging, handout grabbing, bed wetting liberal. Nor am I anything close to a social conservative, but would just rather see more fiscal responsibility which is not something I see happening in the current Democratic administration.
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I have an equal disdain for both political parties at the moment. If the Democrats knew how to spend a buck the right way I would lean more left. If the Republicans actually had meaningful ideas on how to boost the economy without wasting their time mudslinging I would lean right. Some may suggest I should lean libertarian but I have my doubts with the hysteria of the tea party brigade.
Here is where I stand....
I do not support abortion, but I also feel it's none of my business to interfere.
I believe gays should have the right to marry.
I support the 2nd ammendment (in rational ways)
I'm not big on unions, support regulated capitalism
Socail services within reason; such as short term unemployment, social security, medicare, but unemployment and welfare should be strict and conditional.
May seem paradoxical to some, I support better control on illegal immigration, however I feel Arizona is going about it the wrong way. Sort of damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Reducing wasteful tax spending
I believe education should be more accessable and not so costly.
I believe in green energy, but also believe in producing domestic oil while going through the transition. I also believe in strict regulation and inspections of the oil industry to prevent catastrophes such as the recent Gulf oil spill. I am also a proponent of nuclear energy.
I often feel very disenchated when voting and wish there were more common sense politicans whose values are more in the middle. I can not stand the polarization of liberals to the left of Castro or conservatives to the right of Atilla the Hun.
So I ask....is there room for political moderates?
Most, if not all, of your stated positions actually put you well within the mainstream of the Democratic Party.
I can only infer that you have been believing the lies about Democrats as being left-wing socialists. For instance, take a look at what Obama has been saying and doing, including his support for offshore drilling and nuclear power.
And what you said about unemployment and welfare--that's the way they are right now.
I have an equal disdain for both political parties at the moment. If the Democrats knew how to spend a buck the right way I would lean more left. If the Republicans actually had meaningful ideas on how to boost the economy without wasting their time mudslinging I would lean right. Some may suggest I should lean libertarian but I have my doubts with the hysteria of the tea party brigade.
Here is where I stand....
I do not support abortion, but I also feel it's none of my business to interfere.
I believe gays should have the right to marry.
I support the 2nd ammendment (in rational ways)
I'm not big on unions, support regulated capitalism
Socail services within reason; such as short term unemployment, social security, medicare, but unemployment and welfare should be strict and conditional.
May seem paradoxical to some, I support better control on illegal immigration, however I feel Arizona is going about it the wrong way. Sort of damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Reducing wasteful tax spending
I believe education should be more accessable and not so costly.
I believe in green energy, but also believe in producing domestic oil while going through the transition. I also believe in strict regulation and inspections of the oil industry to prevent catastrophes such as the recent Gulf oil spill. I am also a proponent of nuclear energy.
I often feel very disenchated when voting and wish there were more common sense politicans whose values are more in the middle. I can not stand the polarization of liberals to the left of Castro or conservatives to the right of Atilla the Hun.
So I ask....is there room for political moderates?
You are not a moderate so your frustration must be in your own self definition of a moderate.
The OP isn't alone in wishing that there was a political party for those of us in the moderate middle. I am so sick and tired of politicians who seem to think it is their job to work for their political party and not of the citizens who elected them. They don't give a darn if something is good for the country or not. They just care about scoring points off the other party and taking their cut from the lobbiest. Like the OP I don't agree completely with either party but above all I am increasingly cynical about either party having ANY real beliefs.
The OP isn't alone in wishing that there was a political party for those of us in the moderate middle. I am so sick and tired of politicians who seem to think it is their job to work for their political party and not of the citizens who elected them. They don't give a darn if something is good for the country or not. They just care about scoring points off the other party and taking their cut from the lobbiest. Like the OP I don't agree completely with either party but above all I am increasingly cynical about either party having ANY real beliefs.
what issues make you the moderate middle? What is your stand on those issues that help you define yourself as a moderate middle?
is the one issue that is more important than another that keeps you a moderate middle? what is the key issue for you
what issues make you the moderate middle? What is your stand on those issues that help you define yourself as a moderate middle?
is the one issue that is more important than another that keeps you a moderate middle? what is the key issue for you
I am pro life
I also believe people who are gay and lesbian should have a right to marry.
I believe that a good education is key to the success of both the individual and the nation.
I also believe that good teachers are the key to a good education and should be held to high standards...and paid accordingly. I also believe that there is a lot of "dead wood" in the educational system and people need to start caring more about the students than about perpetuating a system that was designed 75 years ago.
I want single payer health care. I think we should all pay for our health care on the same scale as we pay for our taxes.
I want the troops brought home and the money put into good security measures here at home.
I want us to only buy American products.
I want us to pay off our debts and tighten our belts until they are paid.
I believe in helping those in need of help but I also believe the best help you can give is a job to those able to work.
I personally don't care how a person came to live here. As long as they work and support their family don't create havoc in the community I say welcome to the land of immigrents.
I am pro life
I also believe people who are gay and lesbian should have a right to marry.
I believe that a good education is key to the success of both the individual and the nation.
I also believe that good teachers are the key to a good education and should be held to high standards...and paid accordingly. I also believe that there is a lot of "dead wood" in the educational system and people need to start caring more about the students than about perpetuating a system that was designed 75 years ago.
I want single payer health care. I think we should all pay for our health care on the same scale as we pay for our taxes.
I want the troops brought home and the money put into good security measures here at home.
I want us to only buy American products.
I want us to pay off our debts and tighten our belts until they are paid.
I believe in helping those in need of help but I also believe the best help you can give is a job to those able to work.
I personally don't care how a person came to live here. As long as they work and support their family don't create havoc in the community I say welcome to the land of immigrents.
I have an equal disdain for both political parties at the moment. If the Democrats knew how to spend a buck the right way I would lean more left. If the Republicans actually had meaningful ideas on how to boost the economy without wasting their time mudslinging I would lean right. Some may suggest I should lean libertarian but I have my doubts with the hysteria of the tea party brigade.
So I ask....is there room for political moderates?
I would assert that American is full of moderates at the moment and that in fact the contemporary right and left in this country are actually two wings of the same party.
If we use history as a measuring stick, our current President Obama would be considered a moderate Republican by 1980 and prior standards. Yet today he is look upon as some kind of Marxist or if you ask Glen Beck, Hitler incarnate.
I would point towards the likes of Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich as being more traditional examples of left and right in politics, and during the last election cycle they were treated by their own parties as either extreme or crack pots. The bulk of people are closer to the middle and this is proven by every general election where either party candidate focuses on centrist views to pick up those swing voters and independents.
If we were to look at the American people as a spectrum from 1 to 100, the vast majority lay between 45 and 55 and the rest outside of this. Granted it tends to be the minority outside of this range which make the most fuss, so thus garnish the most focus from the media and I believe give a distorted view of the electorate. However, this is what sells because it appears extreme; after all, you don't hear of crazy moderates making headlines.
I would assert that American is full of moderates at the moment and that in fact the contemporary right and left in this country are actually two wings of the same party.
If we use history as a measuring stick, our current President Obama would be considered a moderate Republican by 1980 and prior standards. Yet today he is look upon as some kind of Marxist or if you ask Glen Beck, Hitler incarnate.
I would point towards the likes of Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich as being more traditional examples of left and right in politics, and during the last election cycle they were treated by their own parties as either extreme or crack pots. The bulk of people are closer to the middle and this is proven by every general election where either party candidate focuses on centrist views to pick up those swing voters and independents.
If we were to look at the American people as a spectrum from 1 to 100, the vast majority lay between 45 and 55 and the rest outside of this. Granted it tends to be the minority outside of this range which make the most fuss, so thus garnish the most focus from the media and I believe give a distorted view of the electorate. However, this is what sells because it appears extreme; after all, you don't hear of crazy moderates making headlines.
What are the issues and the stances on those issues that make you a moderate
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