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Old 05-20-2010, 10:13 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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The law is not designed to discriminate against white people ( I am white btw). Business's are not allowed to refuse service to someone because they are white, black, etc. Paul wants it to be legal for business's to refuse to serve someone because of what race they are.
No...he believes it is not the federal government's business under the Constitution.
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Old 05-20-2010, 10:20 PM
 
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No answer huh?

The ADA is an incredibly slippery slope...better be careful....
"Then the handicapped people who want to work are SOL" was the answer. Also they've got a case for discrimination.
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Old 05-20-2010, 10:27 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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yes they are if a white person doesn't get a job because that position is allocated to minority it does discriminate against white people
I disagree and that is a whole entire different issue all together and has nothing to do with what Paul was arguing.

As far as the topic at hand and what Paul was arguing.. Do you believe a company should be able to discriminate and refuse to serve someone for no other reason other than race or ethnicity? yes or no?
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Old 05-20-2010, 10:29 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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"Then the handicapped people who want to work are SOL" was the answer. Also they've got a case for discrimination.
It is discrimination to not have the money for an elevator...interesting.
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Old 05-20-2010, 10:30 PM
 
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It is discrimination to not have the money for an elevator...interesting.
It is discrimination to not offer a level playing field for all hires and applicants.
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Old 05-20-2010, 10:30 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Do you believe a company should be able to discriminate and refuse to serve someone for no other reason other than race or ethnicity? yes or no?
Yes they should be able to.
But it is morally wrong.

But I am sure you agree you cannot legislate morality.
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Old 05-20-2010, 10:31 PM
 
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You are most likely right...but isn't forcing them to bow to your way of thinking wrong too?

I would not frequent a place that barred people because of color or race or the like,but I do not think it right to force my beliefs on others...

how is it forcing belief?
Say what you want about the economy and what we're going through currently, but one thing this country was "Prides" itself on and the reason we have such a problem with immigrations, is what this country "affords" to you. Opportunity, Equality and Freedom. Those three elements is what the Constitution has evolved into over the last 200+ years. To now go back and say, "oh by the way, I have my own restaurant, I want to be covered by the constitution (Freedom), but I want you to close your eyes to the part i'm about to step on (Equality) because I own my own business".
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Old 05-20-2010, 10:33 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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It is discrimination to not have a level playing field for all job applicants.
Not having money to install an elevator make the playing field not level huh?

Interesting.

What of other disabilities?Should they also be catered to no matter the cost?
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Old 05-20-2010, 10:36 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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how is it forcing belief?
Say what you want about the economy and what we're going through currently, but one thing this country was "Prides" itself on and the reason we have such a problem with immigrations, is what this country "affords" to you. Opportunity, Equality and Freedom. Those three elements is what the Constitution has evolved into over the last 200+ years. To now go back and say, "oh by the way, I have my own restaurant, I want to be covered by the constitution (Freedom), but I want you to close your eyes to the part i'm about to step on (Equality) because I own my own business".
You believe discriminating based upon color is wrong...

Another person may not think so.

You however believe forcing your belief upon another is fine because your belief is...'good'.

Do you believe in forcing morals upon others?
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Old 05-20-2010, 10:46 PM
 
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You believe discriminating based upon color is wrong...

Another person may not think so.

You however believe forcing your belief upon another is fine because your belief is...'good'.

Do you believe in forcing morals upon others?

morals? discrimination is illegal
murder illegal,
slavery illegal
Robbery illegal
hit and run illegal

I don't see how out of all of the parts of the constitution, parts of the 14th amendment is considered forcing moral beliefs on someone. The amendment clearly states "public" accomodation. Even though the restaraunt is owned by a private owner, it is within a public domain and as such discrimination is illegal. If he was to run a restaraunt in his own home, well thats a different story.
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