Why cant Right & Left unite on issue of Immigration? (employment, wages)

[averagejoe76]

It seems like such a common sense issue.
Millions breaking into our country illegally..
Our schools,hospitals,social services pay the price.
Wages are being pushed down by cheap labor.
There are many issues economically and well as culturally.
Majority of Americans favor tighter control of Immigration.
So why arent the left-leaning speaking out?
Obama and a solid majority of Democrats are for pushing Amnesty.
Its not hard to see why, millions giving amnesty would become..
Democrat voters.

Seems like most americans agree on this issue.
Why are so many people afraid to speak out?
Millions of Illegal's march in protest but not many americans.
I know many democrats arent in favor of more illegal immigration..
And amnesty so why arent they speaking out?

[hawkeye2009]

Originally Posted by averagejoe76

It seems like such a common sense issue.
Millions breaking into our country illegally..
Our schools,hospitals,social services pay the price.
Wages are being pushed down by cheap labor.
There are many issues economically and well as culturally.
Majority of Americans favor tighter control of Immigration.
So why arent the left-leaning speaking out?
Obama and a solid majority of Democrats are for pushing Amnesty.
Its not hard to see why, millions giving amnesty would become..
Democrat voters.

Seems like most americans agree on this issue.
Why are so many people afraid to speak out?
Millions of Illegal's march in protest but not many americans.
I know many democrats arent in favor of more illegal immigration..
And amnesty so why arent they speaking out?

The left lacks common sense on this issue, therefore it is like asking for a compromise between "right" and "wrong".

Illegal immigration means that those people are here ILLEGALLY. It is very simple-

Our laws and our borders need to be enforced, as every other nation on the planet does. To do otherwise invites anarchy (which I believe is what IS occurring on the border, as the federal government has neglected its duty, forcing the states to act).

[AuditTheFed]

The left is following party orders. They want the votes.

[wjtwet]

Originally Posted by averagejoe76

It seems like such a common sense issue.
Millions breaking into our country illegally..
Our schools,hospitals,social services pay the price.
Wages are being pushed down by cheap labor.
There are many issues economically and well as culturally.
Majority of Americans favor tighter control of Immigration.
So why arent the left-leaning speaking out?
Obama and a solid majority of Democrats are for pushing Amnesty.
Its not hard to see why, millions giving amnesty would become..
Democrat voters.

Seems like most americans agree on this issue.
Why are so many people afraid to speak out?
Millions of Illegal's march in protest but not many americans.
I know many democrats arent in favor of more illegal immigration..
And amnesty so why arent they speaking out?

Yes the more illegals that get amnesty from the democrats become democratic voters

[averagejoe76]

What about whats good for the country?
I find it hard to believe MOST democrat voters are willing to sell out the country for more votes.
Now the people in Washington DC thats another matter.

[Joe_Ryder]

Originally Posted by averagejoe76

It seems like such a common sense issue.
Millions breaking into our country illegally..
Our schools,hospitals,social services pay the price.
Wages are being pushed down by cheap labor.
There are many issues economically and well as culturally.
Majority of Americans favor tighter control of Immigration.
So why arent the left-leaning speaking out?
Obama and a solid majority of Democrats are for pushing Amnesty.
Its not hard to see why, millions giving amnesty would become..
Democrat voters.

Seems like most americans agree on this issue.
Why are so many people afraid to speak out?
Millions of Illegal's march in protest but not many americans.
I know many democrats arent in favor of more illegal immigration..
And amnesty so why arent they speaking out?

The only people who seem to be in favor of the illegal flood are those on the far extremes of the left and right. Particularly in a society that has become so apathetic, it's the squeaky wheel that gets the grease. From what I read, both liberals and conservatives as a whole want to put an end to this insanity but as usual Washington is only listening to those who throw temper tantrums or those who write checks. Illegals who are given amnesty indirectly write checks in the form of votes so it's business as usual.

[AuditTheFed]

Originally Posted by averagejoe76

What about whats good for the country?
I find it hard to believe MOST democrat voters are willing to sell out the country for more votes.
Now the people in Washington DC thats another matter.

MOST Democrat voters are not the ones to worry about. Washington Dems are. The Dem voters to worry about are alot like liberal posters here on CD where they agree 100% with everything this administration is doing. They will follow them right off the cliff.
Washington Dems are the ones who want the votes because it is all about power and control with them.

[Dane_in_LA]

The Republicans have no interest in more than lip service. Business owners profit massively from cheap labor, and they tend to vote - and, more importantly, write checks - for Republicans. Instituting iron-clad rules for employment authorization authentication with serious penalties for those employing illegals would be decried as anti-business and additional bureaucracy.

The Democrats - have no interest in more than lip service. Alienating the latino voter segment would be very unfortunate. So targeting the workers with requirements for authentication is not about to happen, either.

So - both sides has a vested interest in not doing overly much, and neither side can accept the other side's solution attempts. The Republicans will kill any legislation that penalizes the employers. The Democrats will stop any legislation that could be perceived as racist.

Of course, the loud tea-swilling minority would go berserk if it became incumbent on them to prove they're authorized to work, so the logical remedy: A secure, verifiable national ID with employment authentication status - is right out.

As political Gordian knots go, this one is a beaut.

[Holdencaulfield]

Why can't Right and Left unite on issue of Immigration?

Most are against illegal immigration, however many on the right are against any type of immigration, including legal. Ask them if they support a decrease or complete halt of legal immigrants. Right and left also differ as to the solution. Left believes in going after the employers of illegal immigrants, Right believes in going after the illegals themselves. The right also have no problem sacrificing our civil liberties for the sake of stopping illegal immigrants, whereas the left is not willing to shred the Constitution or forgo any of OUR rights, preceived or otherwise real. Basically the left values freedom and the right values security and neither is willing to compromise.

Either that or the Left is a bunch of Racist Reconquista illegal loving America hating Communists that have secretly desired to see America in ruins.

[averagejoe76]

The right also have no problem sacrificing our civil liberties for the sake of stopping illegal immigrants, whereas the left is not willing to shred the Constitution or forgo any of OUR rights, preceived or otherwise real. Basically the left values freedom and the right values security and neither is willing to compromise.


Are you serious?Is that in reference to the AZ law?
Police arrest someone for a crime,then they have the right..
To ask for ID to determine if someone is legal or not.
I dont think people understand the law at all.

States are being forced to take action because of our sell-out..
Government.I do agree with your other points.
Repubs have lobbies pushing for cheap labor while Dems..
Want to get into bed with possibly 8-15 million voters.
Who cares if americans get p*ssed at Amnesty when they..
Can sign up millions of new voters.Americans will forget.

Hit Employers with HUGE fines or Jail time and end the Anchor baby law.
Those two things who do ALOT to end this problem.