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This is NOT about YOUR opinion of who murdered more people. This is a poll to figure how how well Americans know their history and whether or not people who wear Che Guevara shirts know what he REALLY stands for.
I sometimes see young punk college kids (mind you, I am 28 years old), wearing Che Guevara t-shirts. Now, before VT, I never really stopped to think "why would someone wear a shirt of a psychotic killer such as Guevara". But after VT, I wonder... what would people in the street say if I wore a VT killer shirt?? Or how about Hitler, who killed way more than 6 millions Jews?
How different is it for me to wear a picture of Seung-Hui Cho, the VT barbarian opposed, to a Che Guevara T-shirt?? Aren't they both psycho killers? So why is it ok to wear Guevara's picture on a shirt, granted Guevara killed OMG at least half a million MORE people than the VT guy did??
Is it ok to wear Guevara shirt because I am ignorant to the fact that he murder and orchestrated the murder of almost a million defenseless Cubans and other South Americans? Or is it ok just because Che loved to oppress people???
Before you start posting ignorant or non-factual info, do some research. I did and here are some links.
Background on Che Guevara:
This Socialist 'hero' authorized, supervised, and actively participated in almost 1 MILLION EXECUTIONS of anyone whom he disagree with. Most of the people he executed were tied-down and completely defenseless and helpless. Guevara was not a big fan of tourture, as he only delights himself on death. At first Guevara took an active role in the mass murder of defenseless Cubans, shattering the skulls of the convulsed victims with a blast from his own pistol.
But given the volume of these murders the task proved tiring and Guevara soon appointed Cuban henchmen to better facilitate the serial bloodbath. Che participated in the Cuban Revolution's first firing squads (that means executions w/o trials). He founded and organized Cuba's "labor camp" system—the system that was eventually employed to incarcerate gays, dissidents, and AIDS victims. Most people who died there were journalists and people who wanted to have freedoms of religion and freedom of speech.
This psycho lunatic killed 32 people + himself. I don't even count the VT guy as a dead one on the VT day as this guy is too despicable to even mention as a 'victim'.
Early reports had suggested that the killing resulted from a domestic dispute between the killer and his supposed former girlfriend Emily Hilscher, whose friends said had no prior relationship with Cho. In fact, there is no evidence that Cho had ever met or talked with Hilscher. In the ensuing investigation, police found a suicide note in Cho's dorm room that included comments about "rich kids", "debauchery", and "deceitful charlatans". Cho likened himself to Jesus Christ and expressed his hatred of the wealthy. Cho also had a deep hatred for Christians.
Here is some reading info on the VT guy:
FOXNews.com - Federal Officials: At Least 32 Dead After Virginia Tech University Shooting - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266310,00.html - broken link)
Total murder tallies:
Che Guevara: ~1 million
(the actual number has been disputed for years, as the Cuban government has never kept close tabs on how many people they murdered on a daily basis).
VT Guy: 32
Sound off: Why is it "cool" to wear one killer's picture on a t-shirt (Che) and why is it "un-cool" to wear a different killer's pic on a shirt (VT guy)??? Why is a mass murder like Guevara be hailed as a here??
Is anyone in this country actually wearing a Che Guevara T-shirt??
Oh I see these nitwits in Boulder and sometimes in Denver with the shirts. It happens a lot in liberal Boulder... funny you think the liberals LIKED freedom, but they like communist oppression....
I saw 1 nitwit wearing a Guevara shirt in Orlando... only once.
So hey, what if we put this guy's picture on a T-shirt like the one above??? How is having this guy on a shirt worse than having Guevara?? Didn't Guevara kill a LOT more people???
Che shirts are like Syd Vicious T-Shirts....
The people wearing them really dont have a clue.
The only difference might be that Che did start out
with a noble intentions but like most people who
get a little tast of fame it got currupted. Cho's intentions
were all bad. HAve you seen the move, 'Motorcycle Diaries' ?
A little glamorized to be real, but still a good film top watch.
Is anyone in this country actually wearing a Che Guevara T-shirt??
Come to northern Mexico, err..I mean southern California, affectionately known to we locals as Mexifornia. Che T-shirts are prevalent. You can't swing a dead cat in Lost Angeles without hitting someone wearing a Che t-shirt.
OMG, this was JUST talked about in the news tonight!!
You guys will laugh on this one. This guy has come out and written a "research-paper" type book on Che Guevara and he is on Cable News just now!! I had to run up here and type this.
Durng the interview a liberal reporter asked him "why didn't most of this info that you have in the book come out years ago". His response basically was "the liberal American pro-Castro media has silenced the Cuban community in America for years. And most of the facts in his book HAVE come out, but they came out in the small Spanish-speaking channels".
Oh the author of the book went further to explose that Che Guevara said RACIST things such as calling black people and saying blacks are lazy race! I had heard that one before too.
You have got to see this book!! My next door neighbor is reading it and he says he is not surprised to hear that Guevara was a violent Communist who thought nothing of firing a gun into the stomach of a woman six months pregnant whose only crime was that her family opposed him. And he was a hypocrite who lusted after material luxuries while cultivating his image as a man of the people.
Here is some of the EXTREMELY LIBERAL TIME Magazine said vs what the overwhelming evidence the author exposed:
Time: "(T)he story of the obscure Argentine doctor who abandoned his profession and his native land to pursue the emancipation of the poor…"
Fontova: There is no proof that Guevara ever actually earned a medical degree, much less had a profession to abandon. As we will see later, Guevara’s only effective military campaign was against poor campesinos in the Cuban countryside.
Time: "After a guerrilla campaign in which Guevara displayed such outrageous bravery and skill that he was named commandante, the insurgents entered Havana and launched what was to become the first and only victorious socialist revolution in the Americas."
Fontova: Che had a particular talent for being nowhere around when any skirmish broke out. In fact, many of the pitched battles trumpeted in The New York Times and other MSM outlets of the time never took place. In one battle that the NYT proclaimed deaths of over a thousand, Fontova writes convincingly that total casualties on both sides probably numbered around five. Talk about creative math.
Fontova shows that Che was responsible for more deaths of non-communist anti-Batista fighters than of soldiers fighting for the regime — most of whom were bribed to flee. After the revolution, Che oversaw not only the executions of tens of thousands of innocents, but he also was in charge of forcibly collectivizing thousands of small farms. In fact, Che Guevara conducted the longest counter-revolutionary campaign in the Americas, with a brutal 6-year war against Cuban peasant farmers.
Time: "Che the moral guru proclaiming that a New Man, no ego and all ferocious love for the other, had to be forcibly created out of the ruins of the old one."
Fontova: When mothers or wives came to plead for the life of their loved one, Che would show his "ferocious love for the other" by picking up the phone and ordering that man or boy’s immediate execution in front of the sobbing woman.
As Fontova points out, the 14,000 executions by firing squad and other Cuban deaths attributed to the Castroites are dwarfed by the numbers killed by Stalin, Mao, Hitler and Pol Pot, but, as a percentage of the population, the Cuban communists are right up there with the other moral gurus who were also trying to create a "New Man."
Time: "Che the romantic mysteriously leaving the revolution to continue…, the struggle against oppression and tyranny."
Fontova: Che was run out of Cuba by Castro who tired of the competing cult of personality, and was a spectacular failure in Africa and South America where he rallied no one to his cause and was ignored-- or mocked—by guerillas on the ground there.
Time: "His execution in Vallegrande at the age of 39 only enhanced Guevara's mythical stature. That Christ-like figure laid out on a bed of death with his uncanny eyes almost about to open; those fearless last words ('Shoot, coward, you're only going to kill a man') somebody invented or reported;"
Fontova: "Invented," indeed. The only place Che’s defiant last words appear are in Cuban accounts. Every eyewitness tells a different tale — of a Che Guevara trying to ingratiate himself to every guard, officer or CIA agent at the scene, spinning the notion constantly that he would be "worth more alive."
But radical Duke professor Dorfman is not the only purveyor of the Che Guevara myth that Fontova deconstructs. Herbert Matthews of the New York Times was among the useful idiots who most helped Castro come to power.
As Fontova puts it, this was not a battle in the Cuban countryside or the streets of Havana but a PR war won on the pages of the mainstream press in Washington and New York.
Last edited by Nirvana-Guy; 06-15-2007 at 08:22 PM..
Guevara was a violent Communist who thought nothing of firing a gun into the stomach of a woman six months pregnant whose only crime was that her family opposed him.
Your Christian god did the same and worst.
Would you like me to qoute verses from his holy bible?
I was watching TV the other day, saw a news clip of Hillary speaking at a college campus to a pretty good sized crowd. Afterwards she was shaking hands and giving out hugs to some of the crowd. She hugged a guy with a Che T shirt on, wonder if she noticed that it would flash on a TV newscast.
Side note, I spent quite a bit of time in South America in the early 70s, just a few years after Ernesto (his real name) Guevara's death in Bolivia. I've read his diary of what went on in Bolivia and even visited places like Cochabamba (closest big city to where he was killed) and Alta Gracia, Argentina, a city where he spent many of his school years. In recent years they even opened a Che museum there to attract tourists. I'm no fan of marxism or the "cult worship" of the likes of Che, Mao, Lenin, Stalin etc who all shared a lot in common. Until Hugo Chavez came along, I considered Socialism and Marxism an ideology on the death bed. Guess they're back in vogue in some places.
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OMG, this was JUST talked about in the news tonight!!
