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View Poll Results: Did the USA decare war on Germany in WWII?
Yes 52 70.27%
No, we declared on Japan, but not Germany. 18 24.32%
I Don't Know 4 5.41%
Voters: 74. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 05-21-2014, 02:55 AM
 
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The death of millions and the destruction of countries all because of a power hungry, narcissistic, messianic leader with a cult like following.
Unfortunately, you've grown up hearing voices that incessantly warn of government as nothing more than some separate, sinister entity that's at the root of all our problems. Some of these same voices also do their best to gum up the works. They'll warn that tyranny always lurking just around the corner. You should reject these voices. Because what they suggest is that our brave, and creative, and unique experiment in self-rule is somehow just a sham with which we can't be trusted.
-- Barack Obama

Who's works are you afraid of "gumming up" dear Obama? Thankfully your star is fading.

People need to understand history and how power in the hands of one man or a few can and will be abused. If you "reject those voices" as Obama is telling people to do then history will repeat itself.
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Old 05-21-2014, 02:58 AM
 
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Did America decare war on Germany in WWII?
  • Yes
  • No, we declared on Japan, but not Germany.
  • I don't know.
USA formally declared war on six nations on three different days (Senate and House votes follow)
  1. Japan December 8, 1941 Senate 82–0 House 388–1
  2. Germany December 11, 1941 Senate 88–0 House 393–0
  3. Italy December 11, 1941 Senate 90–0 House 399–0
  4. Bulgaria June 5, 1942 Senate 73–0 House 357–0
  5. Hungary June 5, 1942 Senate 73–0 House 360–0
  6. Romania June 5, 1942 Senate 73–0 House 361-0

June 4, 1942 is The Battle Of Midway, the turning point of Pacific war.

The really interesting question to ask is of the three nations (Japan, Germany, & Italy) which ones declared war on the USA before the USA declared war on them?

Who cast the lone vote against war with Japan, and what other famous vote did that person make? If those two things were not enough, what historically significant first is associated with that person.
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Old 05-21-2014, 03:04 AM
 
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USA formally declared war on six nations on three different days (Senate and House votes follow)
  1. Japan December 8, 1941 Senate 82–0 House 388–1
  2. Germany December 11, 1941 Senate 88–0 House 393–0
  3. Italy December 11, 1941 Senate 90–0 House 399–0
  4. Bulgaria June 5, 1942 Senate 73–0 House 357–0
  5. Hungary June 5, 1942 Senate 73–0 House 360–0
  6. Romania June 5, 1942 Senate 73–0 House 361-0

The really interesting question to ask is of the three nations (Japan, Germany, & Italy) which ones declared war on the USA before the USA declared war on them?

Who cast the lone vote against war with Japan, and what other famous vote did that person make? If those two things were not enough, what historically significant first is associated with that person.
Italy joined with Germany because they hoped to reap the won treasures.

Japan woke the sleeping giant "the U.S". We went to war against Japan after that. It was England and France who stood against Germany but Germany was able to take France. Churchill wanted the U.S. in the war because although Hitler tried and lost against them, he was going to go after England again. The U.S. wanted to stay out of the war but it was Japan who brought us in. We joined forces with England. Hitler just diverted his attention to other countries for the time being but he was coming back for England. When the allied forces attack Germany on D-Day.
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Old 05-21-2014, 03:13 AM
 
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South Pacific... Battle of Midway, Iwo Jima, Okinawa, Guadalcanal. All important
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Old 05-21-2014, 06:19 AM
 
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December 8th declared war on Japan

December 11th declared war on Germany and Italy.

On a side note, we were the only country that Germany formally declared war upon, before they attacked them. All others, Poland, the Netherlands, France, etc, Germany attacked first, then declared war.

Maybe the world would have been different if Germany attacked us before they declared war, Hitler was batting a 1000 before we entered the war.

The Germans blew it. They should have orchestrated a "two front" attack on the USSR in concert with Japanese ground forces from the East. Japan, still reeling from a defeat in Mongolia at the hands of superior Russian tanks and aerial assault, was reluctant to engage in another land battle with the USSR and chose (with the strong urging of the navy) to devote its main efforts in the Pacific. With Moscow threatened, and no threat of an attack from Japan in the east, the USSR was able to pull massive numbers of troops and material to fight the Germans that would have otherwise been needed against the Japanese.

Had the Germans negotiated a "Russia first" strategy with the Japanese, the war would have had a very different outcome.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%...rder_conflicts

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Old 05-21-2014, 06:24 AM
 
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We were in an undeclared shooting war with Germany months before Pearl Harbor. Our destroyers were escorting convoys across the Atlantic and exchanged fire with German u-boats on a number of occasions. We lost quite a number of sailors in these battles.

undeclared naval war North Atlantic 1941
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Old 05-21-2014, 10:42 AM
 
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People need to understand history and how power in the hands of one man or a few can and will be abused. If you "reject those voices" as Obama is telling people to do then history will repeat itself.
Perhaps some sort of, I dunno - a republic with a division of power and elected representatives, perhaps - could safeguard against that sort of thing? I seem to recall it being all the vogue a few hundred years back.

Serioualy, Obama's statement was clearly directed at those who feel that all government involvement, anywhere, is de facto bad - and yes, those people exist.

But in the context of WWII? During that conflict, US government ballooned in size and power, having its agents and influence everywhere. It was very much top-down, rationing and resource allocation and strict controls on the economy. Hell, the Nazis couldn't even run a wartime economy as efficiently.
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Old 05-21-2014, 10:46 AM
 
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Had the Germans negotiated a "Russia first" strategy with the Japanese, the war would have had a very different outcome.
No upside for Japan in fighting a difficult land war against Russia when the Western colonies in Asia and Oceania were within easy reach.
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Old 05-21-2014, 10:51 AM
 
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Exactly. Under Article 3 of the Tripartite Pact (aka Axis Pact), once the United States declared war on Japan, Nazi Germany was compelled to declare war on the United States. Hitler was NOT PLEASED, because he wanted the United States to stay out of it, but he did declare war on the United States on December 11, 1941. In return, and in a matter of hours, the United States also declared war on Nazi Germany.
I admit, I am very, very impressed that you thought of your response for four years (since the last posting before yours was May 2010) before posting it. I wish more people would think about their answers.
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Old 05-21-2014, 07:40 PM
 
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we didnt have to declare war on germany, they declared war on us, thus we were engaged regardless.
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