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Old 05-28-2010, 02:30 PM
 
Location: North Central Florida
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Desert kid.

Illegal lover no not me.

I just disagree with the new AZ law. Innocent Hispanics are the people I'm worried about. The Illegals are just going to avoid entering AZ. I guaruntee that is what's going to happen. So now Spanish Americans will constantly be harrasaed daily for looking a certain way.
So from your point of view, the law is successful at accomplishing it's intent. That's a good thing, right? If ALL the states would adopt the same legislation, we could solve one of the largest problems of the modern era. And since the law mirrors the law on the federal books, you know, that one they refuse to enforce, perhaps we should just elect folks that swear to uphold the laws and constitution of the land........oh, wait.

Have you read the law?

YC.......
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Old 05-28-2010, 02:40 PM
 
Location: North Central Florida
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The bottom line is anyone, pledging their allegiance to one political party or the other has been duped. The actual differences between the two is only skin deep, the actuality, and singularity of purpose is idnetical. The surface differences only exist to keep the voters at large, distracted from what is really going on. The things that really matter, are handled the same way by either side.

Did Obama repeal the patriot act?

Did he stop the wars and bring everyone home?

Has he fixed the economy, or put it on an even more destructive path for the future?

Would there have been any difference if McCain had been elected?

NO, to all of the above.

Each party will pay lip service to the issues that their "base" holds dear. But in the end, they serve and obey a different master. Wake up, and stop being left or right. Be an American.

YC.......
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Old 05-28-2010, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Today i started reading these threads and its definetly a weird state. The country is divided in half and both sides hate each other. Now im gonna give my opinions just to add my 2 cents.

To all you left wingers stop saying you love freedom and what not. You guys are the first to jump on a person for disagreeing with you. I see you guys constantly saying people are racist but the second somebody says they don't like Obama or have a different opinion u call them redneck, kkk, ignorant. Freedom is a 2 way street not everybody could agree with you. I feel like a lot of liberals like judging issues that have nothing to do with them. For example people in arizona seem to liek the new bill for the most part yet where i live(nyc) everybody is bitching and crying about it. If you ask me if you don't live in Az then its not really your business. Not to mention most liberals i have met are really suburban all white all white schools all white friends all white life yet your always calling people racist.

Right wingers need to stop being so extreme about things. When you go on violent rants it discredits all the smart things you may have said. When you generalize all liberals you make yourself just as ignorant as they are.

Just my opinions i was interested to hear the feedback
Are you not guilty of that very same generalization that you accuse right wingers of in your post? What is it they say about people living in glass houses?

Unlike you, I do not find generalizations to be an anathema, but rather a necessary part of communication. Generalizations, by definition, are not all inclusive. There are always exceptions. But we would never be able to have a conversation if every detail and every exception had to be pointed out. So we generalize in order to accurately express our thoughts.

You can certainly disagree with a generalization, but that does not mean using a generalization was wrong. For example, I disagree with your generalization that right wingers are extremist about things, and when you speak of violence you need to look to the left, not the right. Leftists are violent, not right wingers. All that it requires to be an accurate generalization is when you group people or things into a general category that it applies to most, not all just most, of the people or things you are generalizing about.
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Old 05-28-2010, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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I wasn't aware that anything other than a drivers license was required to prove citizenship. It also my understanding that the request for proof of citizenship cannot be request unless someone is stopped for another violation.


Please provide data to correct me.

Whoops did some more research. It looks like you are wrong. So this should allay any concerns you have.

A carefully crafted immigration law in Arizona | Washington Examiner (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columns/Byron-York/A-carefully-crafted-immigration-law-in-Arizona-92136104.html - broken link)

"But what if the driver of the car had shown the officer his driver's license? The law clearly says that if someone produces a valid Arizona driver's license, or other state-issued identification, they are presumed to be here legally. There's no reasonable suspicion."[LEFT]
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That was a joke just like the AZ law.



Regardless of what the AZ Gov said about how Police Officers should enforce the new law. Innocent people will constantly be harassed.

Law suits will mount, believe me.
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Old 05-28-2010, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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So from your point of view, the law is successful at accomplishing it's intent. That's a good thing, right? If ALL the states would adopt the same legislation, we could solve one of the largest problems of the modern era. And since the law mirrors the law on the federal books, you know, that one they refuse to enforce, perhaps we should just elect folks that swear to uphold the laws and constitution of the land........oh, wait.

Have you read the law?

YC.......
I respectfully disagree.

When a year go bye. I'm hoping the Police Officer will have the stats of how many innocent people were harassed by this law.

Businesses, Land Lords and Legal citizens that allow the Illegal Aliens sanctuaries in our country should be sought, not the innocent Americans that so happen to live in AZ like my Aunt (Tia).
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Old 05-28-2010, 04:00 PM
 
Location: North Central Florida
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Businesses, Land Lords and Legal citizens that allow the Illegal Aliens sanctuaries in our country should be sought.


We are in agreement here. But it should be a two "pronged" approach. Nothing wrong with going after both sides of a problem to tackle it.

Take out the "cause", as well as the "effect" as it were.

BTW, what you propose is also a part of the federal laws on the book, that arent being enforced.

YC.......
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Old 05-28-2010, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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We are in agreement here. But it should be a two "pronged" approach. Nothing wrong with going after both sides of a problem to tackle it.

Take out the "cause", as well as the "effect" as it were.

BTW, what you propose is also a part of the federal laws on the book, that arent being enforced.

YC.......
When you only look at a Spanish people only is Racial discrimination. There are people that are as White as George Bush that want to destroy our country.

Those shades will get a pass. My people will be PUBLIC ENEMY number 1.

Does that make sense?

That law sucks!
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Old 05-28-2010, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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That was a joke just like the AZ law.



Regardless of what the AZ Gov said about how Police Officers should enforce the new law. Innocent people will constantly be harassed.

Law suits will mount, believe me.
I don't believe you. I believe the law.
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Old 05-28-2010, 05:29 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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So from your point of view, the law is successful at accomplishing it's intent. That's a good thing, right? If ALL the states would adopt the same legislation, we could solve one of the largest problems of the modern era. And since the law mirrors the law on the federal books, you know, that one they refuse to enforce, perhaps we should just elect folks that swear to uphold the laws and constitution of the land........oh, wait.

Have you read the law?

YC.......
And those that are already there? I assume many of them might be leaving Arizona as we speak, and probably not for Mexico
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Old 05-28-2010, 05:37 PM
 
Location: North Central Florida
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And those that are already there? I assume many of them might be leaving Arizona as we speak, and probably not for Mexico
Did you bother to read and comprehend the second sentence of the post you quoted?

YC.......
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