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View Poll Results: will Obama be impeached for the Sestak issue?
No- no impeachable offense was made 67 55.83%
No- he bribed Sestak, but the justice department will not act 26 21.67%
No- he bribed Sestak but the congress will vote for him 7 5.83%
Yes- he bribed Sestak and action will be taken 20 16.67%
Voters: 120. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 05-28-2010, 08:07 PM
 
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With the Sestak issue coming to a head, the Obama administration is going to face its most difficult situation (greater than the Gulf oil spill) which may jeopardize the presidency. The parallels to the Nixon Watergate scandal are striking, but the Obama scandal is probably greater in magnitude.

1.The Watergate scandal initially involved a petty burglarly, but escalated into an impeachable offense from the coverup. The Sestak case involves initally the accusation of a FEDERAL CRIME, as well as a potential coverup.

2. Nixon did not know about the Watergate burglary initially, but chose to cover it up. That was his crime. Obama appears to have initiated the federal crime AND covered his tracks. Which is worse?

3. Nixon did not have the cover of the media or the justice department to cover for him. Obama has the advantage of a media that will not report on the event, as well as a corrupt justice department that will not initiate an investigation. Obama has the further advantage of a democratic senate and congress that will not push for a grand jury independent of the justice department- it pays to have friends when committing crimes.


Let's see if Obama dodges this one. It appears as though he was complicent, or ordered, a federal criminal act. However, one needs the investigation and prosecution of this act to enforce the law. Under the current administration, senate, and congress, I doubt that anything will be done. However, among those who are "undecided" and remaining "moderates" in the US, it questions the tactics and ethics of an administration that appears more and more to be "above the law".
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Old 05-28-2010, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Rational World Park
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Sorry to dampen the mood but it's already been put to bed. There's nothing illegal with offering an advisory position.

"Sestak, who had said a job was offered but had provided no details, acknowledged Friday that he had had the conversation with Clinton. He said the former president told him he should stay in the U.S. House and perhaps join a presidential board, either involving intelligence or defense matters to use his background as a Navy officer."

"Previous Democratic and Republican administrations, "motivated by the same goals, discussed alternative paths to service for qualified individuals also considering campaigns for public office." The report said such actions aren't illegal nor unethical."

Clinton enlisted to ease Sestak out of race - White House- msnbc.com
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Old 05-28-2010, 08:36 PM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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If it is proven that Obama was a part of this it will begin impeachment process right away.

This is no silly little crime, this is a major crime with severe penalties.

If it is found that Obama was the one who planned this or any of his staff did this under his direction he will be toast.

Obama believes he is above the law and believes he can do whatever he wants. Maybe he just went too far with this one and broke several laws at once.

My hunch is this came from him but he will find some fall guys to take the rap.
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Old 05-28-2010, 08:38 PM
 
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With the Sestak issue coming to a head, the Obama administration is going to face its most difficult situation (greater than the Gulf oil spill) which may jeopardize the presidency. The parallels to the Nixon Watergate scandal are striking, but the Obama scandal is probably greater in magnitude.

1.The Watergate scandal initially involved a petty burglarly, but escalated into an impeachable offense from the coverup. The Sestak case involves initally the accusation of a FEDERAL CRIME, as well as a potential coverup.

2. Nixon did not know about the Watergate burglary initially, but chose to cover it up. That was his crime. Obama appears to have initiated the federal crime AND covered his tracks. Which is worse?

3. Nixon did not have the cover of the media or the justice department to cover for him. Obama has the advantage of a media that will not report on the event, as well as a corrupt justice department that will not initiate an investigation. Obama has the further advantage of a democratic senate and congress that will not push for a grand jury independent of the justice department- it pays to have friends when committing crimes.


Let's see if Obama dodges this one. It appears as though he was complicent, or ordered, a federal criminal act. However, one needs the investigation and prosecution of this act to enforce the law. Under the current administration, senate, and congress, I doubt that anything will be done. However, among those who are "undecided" and remaining "moderates" in the US, it questions the tactics and ethics of an administration that appears more and more to be "above the law".
Just wait until the next Congress, controlled by real Americans is sworn in.
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Old 05-28-2010, 08:40 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Sorry to dampen the mood but it's already been put to bed. There's nothing illegal with offering an advisory position.
Did you really believe that coordinated, manufactured story?

See, Joe's story and comments, from months ago, don't match up with the fairy tale the White House has cooked up.
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Old 05-28-2010, 08:41 PM
 
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Sorry to dampen the mood but it's already been put to bed. There's nothing illegal with offering an advisory position.

"Sestak, who had said a job was offered but had provided no details, acknowledged Friday that he had had the conversation with Clinton. He said the former president told him he should stay in the U.S. House and perhaps join a presidential board, either involving intelligence or defense matters to use his background as a Navy officer."

"Previous Democratic and Republican administrations, "motivated by the same goals, discussed alternative paths to service for qualified individuals also considering campaigns for public office." The report said such actions aren't illegal nor unethical."

Clinton enlisted to ease Sestak out of race - White House- msnbc.com
There is something illegal about offering any job funded in part or whole by Congressionally-appropriated funding, not matter what the job is or even if it is non-paid, in exchange for any "political" consideration, such as dropping out of a race. Title 18 U.S. Code, Section 600.
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Old 05-28-2010, 08:41 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The WH said the WH did no wrong.
We may not agree but that how the cards were dealt.
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Old 05-28-2010, 08:43 PM
 
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Did you really believe that coordinated, manufactured story?

See, Joe's story and comments, from months ago, don't match up with the fairy tale the White House has cooked up.
Yes, I believe it until proved otherwise. Of course you don't.
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Old 05-28-2010, 08:45 PM
 
Location: Rational World Park
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There is something illegal about offering any job funded in part or whole by Congressionally-appropriated funding, not matter what the job is or even if it is non-paid, in exchange for any "political" consideration, such as dropping out of a race. Title 18 U.S. Code, Section 600.
That's your interpretation. Good luck with that. "Political".
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Old 05-28-2010, 09:07 PM
 
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I said yes because I can't stand the fraud in chief. I doubt it will happen but we can all have wishful thinking.It would be amusing to see the ghetto's riot though.
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