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Old 05-31-2010, 06:43 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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It is ironic that the anti-intellectual crowd is up in arms about the lack of a fix for the oil spill. People here on CD have wildly applauded Chris Christie for firing teachers and cutting education spending in lieu of raising state taxes on even the wealthiest or residents. Sadly, you can't have it both ways. You can't cut education and expect us to have the capacity to fix complex problems especially in the future. You can't mock intellectuals then blame them for not fixing our problems. There was even a thread saluting Palin for posting on her facebook page the statement "Mr. President just plug the d@mn hole". She didn't post a solution, suggestion, encouragement, just a vague statement of criticism. Education is a critical part of our country's success in the future not this strange lurch towards dumbing down our populous. Our ability to solve these complex issues in the future will not be solved by those with "folksy" talk and eye winks but those with outstanding education and intellect.

Please show me the correlation between education spending and academic achievement.
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Old 05-31-2010, 07:11 AM
 
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It is ironic that the anti-intellectual crowd is up in arms about the lack of a fix for the oil spill. People here on CD have wildly applauded Chris Christie for firing teachers and cutting education spending in lieu of raising state taxes on even the wealthiest or residents. Sadly, you can't have it both ways. You can't cut education and expect us to have the capacity to fix complex problems especially in the future. You can't mock intellectuals then blame them for not fixing our problems. There was even a thread saluting Palin for posting on her facebook page the statement "Mr. President just plug the d@mn hole". She didn't post a solution, suggestion, encouragement, just a vague statement of criticism. Education is a critical part of our country's success in the future not this strange lurch towards dumbing down our populous. Our ability to solve these complex issues in the future will not be solved by those with "folksy" talk and eye winks but those with outstanding education and intellect.
From "Drill Baby Drill" to "Plug The Damn Hole" is the best that a nitwit such as Palin can do. Like the talking dolls that are programmed to a limited amount of phrases. She is the poster girl for the dumbing down of America. The age of mediocrity is upon us.
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Old 05-31-2010, 07:14 AM
 
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Please show me the correlation between education spending and academic achievement.
C'mon...this is really a no brainer. For starters, less teachers per student is not exactly putting education on the fast track, now is it?
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Old 05-31-2010, 07:28 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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C'mon...this is really a no brainer. For starters, less teachers per student is not exactly putting education on the fast track, now is it?

I prefer to use my brain. The data shows there is no correlation between per pupil spending and academic achievement. Unfortunately in the NJ education system has been taken over by the NJEA as their piggy bank. It is time the people regain control from the entrenched Big Labor.

http://www.cato.org/pubs/journal/cj19n1/cj19n1-7.pdf

Do you think we are getting bang for our buck?

http://www.realonlinedegrees.com/edu...ing-in-the-us/

US slips as education world leader, says report | Education | Education Guardian

International Comparison of Math, Reading, and Science Skills Among 15-Year-Olds — Infoplease.com
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Old 05-31-2010, 08:00 AM
 
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I prefer to use my brain. The data shows there is no correlation between per pupil spending and academic achievement. Unfortunately in the NJ education system has been taken over by the NJEA as their piggy bank. It is time the people regain control from the entrenched Big Labor.

http://www.cato.org/pubs/journal/cj19n1/cj19n1-7.pdf

Do you think we are getting bang for our buck?

Education Spending in The US |

US slips as education world leader, says report | Education | Education Guardian

International Comparison of Math, Reading, and Science Skills Among 15-Year-Olds — Infoplease.com
The quality of teachers is what detemines the quality of a students education and I do agree that qualifications for obtaining a teacher's license should be stringent, however, there is no doubt that the size of a class also has a negative or positive affect on the quality of education.

Teachers Report on the Benefits of Small Classes

Policy Report - Class Size, Teachers Report on the Benefits of Small Classes (http://eric.uoregon.edu/publications/policy_reports/class_size/teachers_report.html - broken link)


There are reasons that parents that can afford private school for their kids go that route. Class size is a major factor.
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Old 05-31-2010, 08:05 AM
 
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I know tons of people in the oil and gas industry, from offshore rough necks to geologist and engineers who are better educated and are more intellectual than 99.999% of the voting public... not one of the leans to the left. Your attempt to make people who care about this oil spill and expect our President to do his job seem less intelligent has failed, many of these people are down on those beaches cleaning up sand or washing oil off of birds with their own hands, not doing some photo opp and hopping back on AF1 to another fundraiser.

I'm a very well educated guy, I'm in a completely different industry from oil and gas but even I can see that these guys are up against a huge challenge getting this well shut down. This has never happened before and doing anything a mile under water isn't insanely difficult.

The "anti-inelectual" crowd you speak about has just as much right to demand action as the anti-common sense crowd who looks past the failures of their politicians while supporting whatever they do blindly.
I would bet you that that rough neck would have just as good, possibly better chance of coming up with a solution than the Nobel Prize winner Chu that the feds are touting. My husband had a relative who was a tool pusher for many years. After he retired, he was highly sought after as a consultant. He was flown half way around the world numerous times to advise on drilling problems. And this was a man who had no education beyond high school. Unfortunately he died a few years ago.
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Old 05-31-2010, 08:06 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Both sides have smart people and idiots. People arguing about this fall into the idiot category.
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Old 05-31-2010, 08:19 AM
 
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There are reasons that parents that can afford private school for their kids go that route. Class size is a major factor.
Class size plays a factor but the biggest factor is those parents are more likely to take an active role in their child's education. If you look at any of these stories where the child has been able to claw there way out of these very bad environments where the schools are failing even with small class sizes you'll find one common thing. Someone whether it was a parent, grandparent, neighbor or whoever took an active role keeping them on track to become productive.
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Old 05-31-2010, 08:31 AM
 
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It is ironic that the anti-intellectual crowd is up in arms about the lack of a fix for the oil spill. People here on CD have wildly applauded Chris Christie for firing teachers and cutting education spending in lieu of raising state taxes on even the wealthiest or residents. Sadly, you can't have it both ways. You can't cut education and expect us to have the capacity to fix complex problems especially in the future. You can't mock intellectuals then blame them for not fixing our problems. There was even a thread saluting Palin for posting on her facebook page the statement "Mr. President just plug the d@mn hole". She didn't post a solution, suggestion, encouragement, just a vague statement of criticism. Education is a critical part of our country's success in the future not this strange lurch towards dumbing down our populous. Our ability to solve these complex issues in the future will not be solved by those with "folksy" talk and eye winks but those with outstanding education and intellect.
Good post, but way beyond the ken of many on this forum.
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Old 05-31-2010, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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The quality of teachers is what detemines the quality of a students education and I do agree that qualifications for obtaining a teacher's license should be stringent, however, there is no doubt that the size of a class also has a negative or positive affect on the quality of education.

Teachers Report on the Benefits of Small Classes

Policy Report - Class Size, Teachers Report on the Benefits of Small Classes (http://eric.uoregon.edu/publications/policy_reports/class_size/teachers_report.html - broken link)


There are reasons that parents that can afford private school for their kids go that route. Class size is a major factor.

There actually is quote a bit of doubt about class size.

http://www.politicalscience.uncc.edu...20outcomes.pdf
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