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Old 05-30-2010, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Rational World Park
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"Gen. Colin Powell, once one of the architects of the military's "don't ask, don't tell" law, said this morning that he is personally in favor of repealing the policy. "Things have changed. That was 17 years ago," Powell said when asked about his past support for the ban during an appearance on ABC's "This Week." Powell said that he is "personally of the view now that attitudes have changed," adding that it's "perfectly acceptable" to repeal the law so long as the voices of the men and women in charge of executing the policy are heard in the process."

44 - Powell: "Things Have Changed" on "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"

Hopefully more of his party will move forward with him and the rest of the vast majority of Americans.
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Old 05-30-2010, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Neither here nor there
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"Gen. Colin Powell, once one of the architects of the military's "don't ask, don't tell" law, said this morning that he is personally in favor of repealing the policy. "Things have changed. That was 17 years ago," Powell said when asked about his past support for the ban during an appearance on ABC's "This Week." Powell said that he is "personally of the view now that attitudes have changed," adding that it's "perfectly acceptable" to repeal the law so long as the voices of the men and women in charge of executing the policy are heard in the process."

44 - Powell: "Things Have Changed" on "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"

Hopefully more of his party will move forward with him and the rest of the vast majority of Americans.
The final words in the Powell quote are the operative words. I have posted several times that this is not a decision for the public-at-large to be making but one to be carefully considered and decided--and implemented, if/when the decision to repeal DADT is made--by those who know the situation best. That excludes 99% of the population.
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Old 05-30-2010, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Rational World Park
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The final words in the Powell quote are the operative words. I have posted several times that this is not a decision for the public-at-large to be making but one to be carefully considered and decided--and implemented, if/when the decision to repeal DADT is made--by those who know the situation best. That excludes 99% of the population.
I disagree, those you speak of should be "heard" but they alone should not have the final say. This country is not a military dictatorship. Americans elect Congress to make law. You can't just change that whenever you feel like it. Excluding the 99% people that will make up the armed forces from the decision is ridiculous.
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Old 05-30-2010, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Neither here nor there
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I disagree, those you speak of should be "heard" but they alone should not have the final say. This country is not a military dictatorship. Americans elect Congress to make law. You can't just change that whenever you feel like it. Excluding the 99% people that will make up the armed forces from the decision is ridiculous.
The most the 99% can do is make their opinions known to those who will do the voting and yes, they will have the final say. The only thing decided directly by the voters is who holds public office. After that, it's all in somebody else's hands.

As for your statement that the country is not a military dictatorship....who said it was? The 99% have no business telling the military how to run it. They know the situation on the inside better than those not in the military do. Sure the people not in the military can scream for this or that to be done--or not done--but they have no direct voice in what happens on the inside. Let your voice be heard, contact your senators and representatives--and then let them do the job they were elected to do and that is to make decisions.
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Old 05-30-2010, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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The most the 99% can do is make their opinions known to those who will do the voting and yes, they will have the final say. The only thing decided directly by the voters is who holds public office. After that, it's all in somebody else's hands.

As for your statement that the country is not a military dictatorship....who said it was? The 99% have no business telling the military how to run it. They know the situation on the inside better than those not in the military do. Sure the people not in the military can scream for this or that to be done--or not done--but they have no direct voice in what happens on the inside. Let your voice be heard, contact your senators and representatives--and then let them do the job they were elected to do and that is to make decisions.
I agree with you on this.
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Old 05-30-2010, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Rational World Park
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The most the 99% can do is make their opinions known to those who will do the voting and yes, they will have the final say. The only thing decided directly by the voters is who holds public office. After that, it's all in somebody else's hands.

As for your statement that the country is not a military dictatorship....who said it was? The 99% have no business telling the military how to run it. They know the situation on the inside better than those not in the military do. Sure the people not in the military can scream for this or that to be done--or not done--but they have no direct voice in what happens on the inside. Let your voice be heard, contact your senators and representatives--and then let them do the job they were elected to do and that is to make decisions.
Americans VOTE for those they want to make laws. PERIOD. If those elected see fit to change an existing law, then that serves as the will of the people.

You're wrong if you think the military brass actually understands and cares what those 30 years their junior believe in. Young people which includes young soldiers see no problem in someone being openly gay. There are openly gay people in every walk of life except the military. It's about time the military and it's command moved into the 21st Century.
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Old 05-30-2010, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Neither here nor there
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Americans VOTE for those they want to make laws. PERIOD. If those elected see fit to change an existing law, then that serves as the will of the people.

You're wrong if you think the military brass actually understands and cares what those 30 years their junior believe in. Young people which includes young soldiers see no problem in someone being openly gay. There are openly gay people in every walk of life except the military. It's about time the military and it's command moved into the 21st Century.
Although I think you couldn't be more wrong about this, it's not the job of the "military brass" to focus their attention on and make high level decisions based on what those 30 years their junior "believe in". Their job is to run an efficient military machine whose mission is, first and foremost, defending the country. I am well aware that most people--and that probably includes a lot of older folks, too--think it a good thing to repeal DADT. On the inside, however, it is close to a 50-50 split whether it should be repealed or not and that includes the opinions of the rank and file soldiers.

We elect our representatives and they make the decisions on how they will vote on issues. If we don't like their decisions, we can always vote against them next election cycle. If we like the way they vote, we can vote for them. That's the way it works in this country.
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Old 05-30-2010, 02:43 PM
 
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Americans VOTE for those they want to make laws. PERIOD. If those elected see fit to change an existing law, then that serves as the will of the people.

You're wrong if you think the military brass actually understands and cares what those 30 years their junior believe in. Young people which includes young soldiers see no problem in someone being openly gay. There are openly gay people in every walk of life except the military. It's about time the military and it's command moved into the 21st Century.

-------There are openly gay people in every walk of life except the military----

apples to oranges

Very few places besides the military assigns you to a bedroom that is to be shared.

Very few places can order you transferred to a foreign country and legally punish you if you refuse.

Very few places can order you confined to company facilities for 30 days ( 24/7)for vioating their rules.


I think some of you think the military operates like any other civilian company.

Enlist and you'll find out the difference !
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Old 05-30-2010, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Troy, Il
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-------There are openly gay people in every walk of life except the military----

apples to oranges

Very few places besides the military assigns you to a bedroom that is to be shared.

Very few places can order you transferred to a foreign country and legally punish you if you refuse.

Very few places can order you confined to company facilities for 30 days ( 24/7)for vioating their rules.


I think some of you think the military operates like any other civilian company.

Enlist and you'll find out the difference !
Very valid point, well said.
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Old 05-30-2010, 03:14 PM
 
Location: Alabama
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-------There are openly gay people in every walk of life except the military----

apples to oranges

Very few places besides the military assigns you to a bedroom that is to be shared.

Very few places can order you transferred to a foreign country and legally punish you if you refuse.

Very few places can order you confined to company facilities for 30 days ( 24/7)for vioating their rules.


I think some of you think the military operates like any other civilian company.

Enlist and you'll find out the difference !

Exactly!

You will find that alot soldiers support "dadt" simply because...they dont care. They dont want to know and dont care to know. When the guys are deployed they are living in very close quarters...living together, open showers, etc...most just would rather not know whether the guy showering next to them is gay or not. It isnt anything against gays personally, they just dont want to know. What is wrong with that? Ever heard of "tmi"? Also, you have to think about the ramifications. We lived in family housing on post, what kind of issues are going to brought up there, if a gay couple is allowed to live on post (unmarried) why cant a straight unmarried couple...not to mention Tricare, and how is all of that gonna work in states that dont recognize gay marriage?? And if they are going to accomodate gays, why not transgenders as well? And will they be housed with the females or the males?

Look, dont ask, dont tell means "we dont care, dont know, & dont want to know". It doesnt mean that they cant serve, it just means that noone wants to know which way their door swings.
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