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Old 06-02-2010, 10:09 AM
 
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So glad I no longer live in NJ.

So the union remains the scapegoat meanwhile an actual method of reducing costs is shelved. And why, because those highly-paid NJ campaign donors don't want their precious kids spending hours on school buses or sitting in classrooms of 50+ kids.


NorthJersey.com: The Christie administration is backing away from attempts to consolidate and regionalize many of the state’s small school districts and will instead encourage the schools to share more services.


And, while actual costs are high, they are not $24K per kid per year.



DOE Releases 2010 Comparative Spending Guide
Just to set my position upfront: (1) I am a Democrat; (2) I was clothed, fed and educated by the Union (parents were 2 union workers).

In saying that, I am 100% in agreement with Gov. Christie on this issue. The unions are killing themselves with unreasonable demands for increases while the rest of us in the country are being forced to cut-back. In my opinion, if the unions truly cared about their workers, they would cut a good percentage of the cushy office/administrative staff and ensure that the benefits went to the actual workers rather than the people running the unions. If not to the general public, then to their own members, they should give a COMPLETE break-down of all employees in the union, complete with salary, benefits and what their role really is.
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Old 06-02-2010, 10:10 AM
 
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Across the country, this is true. This guy is really throwing down the gauntlet and speaking the TRUTH about public schools and the unions that ride roughshod over politicians, parents and students.

RealClearPolitics - Video - Christie: Students Trapped By "Selfish, Greedy" & "Disgraceful" Teacher Unions

In NJ $24,000/pupil?

Incredible.

That $24,000 is needed to pay for the lavish benefits, pensions and health care of the unions.
The more I hear Christie talk the more sense he makes. I just hope he has the mettle to stand up to the lefties when they come at him on all fronts which they will. Clinton may even get one of his hit men back in bidness.

I can't believe NJ pays 24K per student. That's insane. My state it's around 12K per and private school around 9K per. Crazy. No wonder folks are running out of NJ. Maybe Christie will too and head to DC.
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Old 06-02-2010, 10:12 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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She said "I'm begging you to pay me $83,000."

You left off "Today" in a conversation about cutting her $83,000 + benefits.
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Old 06-02-2010, 10:15 AM
 
Location: USA - midwest
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The teachers are not the problem. You would know that, if you had been taught reading comprehension, from an educated teacher, instead of a union hack that doesn't care.
"We do it for the kids" Yet we are going to scream when they want to cut my $83,000 + full benefits as a teacher just doing it for the kids, to meet a budget shortfall.

Cry me a river.

Just like he said, "You don't have to do it"


The problem is Teacher UNIONS, not the majority of teachers.
The system is corrupt, with our unionized education status.

It seems you're attempting to make a point here.

Please expand on why a NJ teachers' union is a concern to you in Texas, a "right to work" state.
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Old 06-02-2010, 10:18 AM
 
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Just to set my position upfront: (1) I am a Democrat; (2) I was clothed, fed and educated by the Union (parents were 2 union workers).

In saying that, I am 100% in agreement with Gov. Christie on this issue. The unions are killing themselves with unreasonable demands for increases while the rest of us in the country are being forced to cut-back. In my opinion, if the unions truly cared about their workers, they would cut a good percentage of the cushy office/administrative staff and ensure that the benefits went to the actual workers rather than the people running the unions. If not to the general public, then to their own members, they should give a COMPLETE break-down of all employees in the union, complete with salary, benefits and what their role really is.
very well said.

+1
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Old 06-02-2010, 10:24 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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It seems you're attempting to make a point here.

Please expand on why a NJ teachers' union is a concern to you in Texas, a "right to work" state.

The point is, we are discussing NJ teachers UNIONS and the Governor of NJ.
Keep on topic and not so scatterbrained. Does NJ use Texas textbooks?
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Old 06-02-2010, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Partisanship Is An Intellectual/Emotional Handicap
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Teachers and their Unions are not scapegoats.

They are a part of the many contributing problems.

They certainly are NOT positioning themselves to be a part of the solution.

This woman in the video angrily whining and complaining about making $83,000.00 a year, is out of her mind. That entitlement complex came out loud and clear.

They don't compensate you for your education? They don't compensate you for your experience?

Really? Then what's that $83,000.00 for? Plus an $11,000.00 benefits package?

Oh, that's right. You're still $14,000.00 short?

What greed. What self-absorbtion. What an audacity!!!

But hey, she does it because she "loves" teaching

What a hypocrite.
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Old 06-02-2010, 10:47 AM
 
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On top of this the NEA spends about $100 million on lobbying and political contributions from the dues they rake in.
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Old 06-02-2010, 10:49 AM
 
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Obviously you have not seen the actual argument.

She said and I quote, "I get $83,000 today"
I live in New Jersey, It's been all over the local news. I've obviously seen it more then you, since I know she said "Im begging you to pay me 83,000." Infact I'm gonna try to lookup her salary now.

NorthJersey.com: Christie defends cutbacks

Regardless, you cant use one teacher as fact. Here's a few links that show the average salary for a NJ teacher. If you use google, you'll find the same info.

Teacher Salaries by State | Employment Spot

Teacher Salaries by State, New Jersey Teacher Salaries - PayScale (http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=High_School_Teacher/Salary/by_State - broken link)
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Old 06-02-2010, 10:49 AM
 
Location: South Fla
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Of course!

The problem with schools is teachers!

It's all so easy to see!
No the problem is the teachers union that is not willing to take a pay freeze for a single year and help pay less then 2% of their own benefits. They know the state is broke. They know peoples taxes are high. But they still want more. They want to keep increasing taxes so they can get more.

Personally I would be grateful to still have a job and maybe if taxes werent so high in NJ my 86k a year salary would go a bit further.

Isnt it about the student and the love of the job? I dont think if your looking to be rich teacher is the profession you should be seeking.
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