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Old 06-02-2010, 01:10 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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See, this is where I get confused. Christie made ALOT of cuts, not only to school aid for towns but other aid in different areas. I got the estimate for my property taxes yesterday in the mail for the third quarter, and its up by 12 percent, 1100 dollar increase for the year. I thought fiscal conservatives where all about lower taxes and less spending. All I see is my town closing 2 schools, closing parks and my taxes going up 1100 a year. My town is a die hard rebuplican town, it's been run by conservatives for the past 20 years, so its not like the dems ran it to the ground. So again why are my services decreasing and my taxes going up?


My property taxes are determined by my County , not the State.
Maybe your pissed at the wrong person.
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Old 06-02-2010, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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It is a big part of the problem. They constantly moan and groan about they are in it for the kids, not for the money or the benefits, but when Christie called their bluff they showed their hand. They were offered a deal that would NOT have hurt the kids and the teachers and their unions voted against it proving that they are NOT there for the kids and are there for the easy money and lavish benefits.
All he was asking for was a one year pay freeze and a contribution of 1.5% of their pay to go towards their own friggin healthcare.

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So glad I no longer live in NJ.

So the union remains the scapegoat meanwhile an actual method of reducing costs is shelved. And why, because those highly-paid NJ campaign donors don't want their precious kids spending hours on school buses or sitting in classrooms of 50+ kids.

And, while actual costs are high, they are not $24K per kid per year.
The unions also resist every effort to let these poor kids attend charter schools, which have been shown to work. Just look at the DC charter school that the obama administration will not fund...because of the union outcry.
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Old 06-02-2010, 01:15 PM
 
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Just to set my position upfront: (1) I am a Democrat; (2) I was clothed, fed and educated by the Union (parents were 2 union workers).

In saying that, I am 100% in agreement with Gov. Christie on this issue. The unions are killing themselves with unreasonable demands for increases while the rest of us in the country are being forced to cut-back. In my opinion, if the unions truly cared about their workers, they would cut a good percentage of the cushy office/administrative staff and ensure that the benefits went to the actual workers rather than the people running the unions. If not to the general public, then to their own members, they should give a COMPLETE break-down of all employees in the union, complete with salary, benefits and what their role really is.

Just one correction in your post. The not all office administrators are "union" and NONE of the top paid administrators are "union". This is the problem that Christie has addressed in his sound bites.
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Old 06-02-2010, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Just to set my position upfront: (1) I am a Democrat; (2) I was clothed, fed and educated by the Union (parents were 2 union workers).

In saying that, I am 100% in agreement with Gov. Christie on this issue. The unions are killing themselves with unreasonable demands for increases while the rest of us in the country are being forced to cut-back. In my opinion, if the unions truly cared about their workers, they would cut a good percentage of the cushy office/administrative staff and ensure that the benefits went to the actual workers rather than the people running the unions. If not to the general public, then to their own members, they should give a COMPLETE break-down of all employees in the union, complete with salary, benefits and what their role really is.
Excellent post.

Understand that the taxpayers are going to be asked to also foot the bill for the union shortfall in pension benefits.
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Old 06-02-2010, 01:16 PM
 
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very well said.

+1

except for the part where the top paid administrators are NOT "union".
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Old 06-02-2010, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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See, this is where I get confused. Christie made ALOT of cuts, not only to school aid for towns but other aid in different areas. I got the estimate for my property taxes yesterday in the mail for the third quarter, and its up by 12 percent, 1100 dollar increase for the year. I thought fiscal conservatives where all about lower taxes and less spending. All I see is my town closing 2 schools, closing parks and my taxes going up 1100 a year. My town is a die hard rebuplican town, it's been run by conservatives for the past 20 years, so its not like the dems ran it to the ground. So again why are my services decreasing and my taxes going up?
Because your local government has spent and continues to spend far more than it has taken in revenue. The first place they should look to cut is administrative costs, all those redundant positions that were hired when times were good.
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Old 06-02-2010, 01:26 PM
 
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My property taxes are determined by my County , not the State.
Maybe your pissed at the wrong person.

The cuts buy the state lead to the tax increase, and my tax rate is determined by my town.
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Old 06-02-2010, 01:30 PM
 
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Because your local government has spent and continues to spend far more than it has taken in revenue. The first place they should look to cut is administrative costs, all those redundant positions that were hired when times were good.

Its already been done like a said. Just closed 2 schools. Isnt it possible that Christie went in a chopped to much? I would be fine if him cutting costs if he didn't do it with a chainsaw.
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Old 06-02-2010, 01:32 PM
 
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I lived most of my life in NJ.

I still have family and friends in NJ.

yes it's expensive.

But $86,000 a year is definitely a salary to live comfortably by.

Unless one is living and spending foolishly.

Are you sure? What is your definition of living comfortably? My definition is debt free which I Am NOT. I make much more than the $86K, have two in college and I can tell you, its NOT easy. There's no such thing as living comfortably, only responsibly unless you have no debts, no dependents and no responsibility.
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Old 06-02-2010, 01:40 PM
 
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And you're not from NJ.

OK, please expand on why the NJ teacher union frightens and enrages you so thoroughly.



I'd wager that NJ purchases their own textbooks. Does Texas buy books for some states other than NJ?
Because they're weeping and wailing about "the children" affects us all, when the administration falls for their crap:

Obama Wants $26 Billion For Bailout Of Teachers'*Unions - Home - The Daily Bail
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