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Old 06-05-2010, 11:56 PM
 
Location: SWUS
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Just glancing at me, I had the thought that we really need a cooler scandal suffix instead of "-gate"

For example...

"-geddon"

WaterGEDDON
Janet Jackson NippleGEDDON

Tiger Woods Skank-Ho-Mistress-BonanzaGEDDON.

If you're going to be outrageous and try to grab attention, might as well go all out.
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Old 06-06-2010, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Just glancing at me, I had the thought that we really need a cooler scandal suffix instead of "-gate"

For example...

"-geddon"

WaterGEDDON
Janet Jackson NippleGEDDON

Tiger Woods Skank-Ho-Mistress-BonanzaGEDDON.

If you're going to be outrageous and try to grab attention, might as well go all out.
Referring to something as XXX-Gate is an American vernacular now.
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Old 06-06-2010, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Of course the parsing it down is incorrect, Its not illegal to offer someone a job to not run for Congress, Nothing in that statute makes it illegal, it wasn't illegal with Obama making the offer and it wasn't illegal when Reagan made the offer.
Even reading the passage with your own eyes and you still deny the obvious.

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Whoever, directly or indirectly, promises any employment, position, compensation, contract, appointment, or other benefit, provided for or made possible in whole or in part by any Act of Congress, or any special consideration in obtaining any such benefit, to any person as consideration, favor, or reward for any political activity or for the support of or opposition to any candidate or any political party in connection with any general or special election to any political office, or in connection with any primary election or political convention or caucus held to select candidates for any political office, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.
I mean, how does one miss this meaning?

It must be a deliberate misreading of the relevant text - that way they can continue to deny it was illegal.
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Old 06-06-2010, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Of course the parsing it down is incorrect, Its not illegal to offer someone a job to not run for Congress, Nothing in that statute makes it illegal, it wasn't illegal with Obama making the offer and it wasn't illegal when Reagan made the offer.
Offering Sestak "a high ranking job in the administration" to support Sen. Spectre's primary election, would require him to drop out, and it is illegal. How else would you expect Sestak to support Spectre's candidacy if he did not drop out?

From the law:

...to any person as consideration, favor, or reward for any political activity or for the support of or opposition to any candidate or any political party in connection ...

Asking Sestak to drop out of the primary election qualifies as "any political activity".


This statement of admission by Sestak falls within the four corners of the statute.

You guys keep going back to Reagan, and its a wash.

Hayakawa said in a statement, “I have not contacted the White House in regard to any administration or ambassadorial post, and they have not been in contact with me.”

Star-News - Google News Archive Search

Hayakawa did not run for reelection in 1982, and for that matter, he ended up not working anywhere in government either.
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Old 06-06-2010, 09:52 AM
 
Location: In Transition
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Lol, I guess
instead of lobbyists offering jobs to candidates as Obama claims about ethics, Obama himself will do the job offering! Guess he's taking over the lobbyist's job!

Doesn't look good for "...being the most ethical administration... (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100605/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_backdoor_politics_1 - broken link)".

This issue should not be a "left" or "right" issue, this should be a "right" or "wrong" issue. And yes, I would be saying the same thing if the president had a "-D" or an "-R" after it.
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Old 06-06-2010, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Even reading the passage with your own eyes and you still deny the obvious.



I mean, how does one miss this meaning?

It must be a deliberate misreading of the relevant text - that way they can continue to deny it was illegal.
Where does it say specifically that offering a job to someone so they do not run for another office is illegal. Hint it does not say that. It does not say that because it is not illegal. Just like it wasn't illegal when Reagan did it.
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Old 06-06-2010, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Offering Sestak "a high ranking job in the administration" to support Sen. Spectre's primary election, would require him to drop out, and it is illegal. How else would you expect Sestak to support Spectre's candidacy if he did not drop out?

From the law:

...to any person as consideration, favor, or reward for any political activity or for the support of or opposition to any candidate or any political party in connection ...

Asking Sestak to drop out of the primary election qualifies as "any political activity".


This statement of admission by Sestak falls within the four corners of the statute.

You guys keep going back to Reagan, and its a wash.

Hayakawa said in a statement, “I have not contacted the White House in regard to any administration or ambassadorial post, and they have not been in contact with me.”

Star-News - Google News Archive Search

Hayakawa did not run for reelection in 1982, and for that matter, he ended up not working anywhere in government either.

Hayakawa was offered a job by the Reagan administration. Regardless of the fact he dropped out afterward and did not accept it doesn't change the fact he was offered a job. Nothing happened because it wasn't illegal, much like not it isn't illegal
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Old 06-06-2010, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Hayakawa was offered a job by the Reagan administration. Regardless of the fact he dropped out afterward and did not accept it doesn't change the fact he was offered a job. Nothing happened because it wasn't illegal, much like not it isn't illegal
What proof do you have of this? Even the man himself says he was never contacted by the Reagan administration about a job, and he never contacted them.

We do however have two separate democrats claiming the the 0bama administration contacted them, and offered them jobs.

What else do you think offering a bribe to drop out of a race is, other then clearing the way for the candidate that the 0bama administration is supporting?

The law is clearly designed so that federal politicians cannot use political positions and appointments as a form of currency, or use the power of their office to influence state elections.
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Old 06-06-2010, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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What proof do you have of this? Even the man himself says he was never contacted by the Reagan administration about a job, and he never contacted them.

We do however have two separate democrats claiming the the 0bama administration contacted them, and offered them jobs.

What else do you think offering a bribe to drop out of a race is, other then clearing the way for the candidate that the 0bama administration is supporting?

The law is clearly designed so that federal politicians cannot use political positions and appointments as a form of currency, or use the power of their office to influence state elections.
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http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/a...g?t=1274969769

Again NOTHING in this law states that it is illegal to offer someone a job so they do not run for something, NOTHING.
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Old 06-06-2010, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/a...g?t=1274969769

Again NOTHING in this law states that it is illegal to offer someone a job so they do not run for something, NOTHING.
Okay, so what activity do you think would be illegal under this statute?

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Whoever, directly or indirectly, promises any employment, position, compensation, contract, appointment, or other benefit, provided for or made possible in whole or in part by any Act of Congress, or any special consideration in obtaining any such benefit, to any person as consideration, favor, or reward for any political activity or for the support of or opposition to any candidate or any political party in connection with any general or special election to any political office, or in connection with any primary election or political convention or caucus held to select candidates for any political office, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.

18 U.S.C. § 600 : US Code - Section 600: Promise of employment or other benefit for political activity
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