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Old 06-08-2010, 10:35 AM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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Unlike Bush with the Katrina catastrophe, the oil spill in the gulf was an unforeseen event that we (US militaty, Coast Guard, etc) do not have the technology in place to correct. This oil spill may as well be on the moon or in outer space because we just do not have the capability ourselves to stop the leak.

The frustration directed at President Obama is misplaced. Sometimes I seriously wonder if the talking heads think that Obama is supposed to dive down to the bottom of the ocean and cap the leak himself as if he's Aquaman or something.

And let's not forget the underlying equation of this disaster.....

BP + Oil (Greedy Profit Grabbing/unsafe cost cutting) + Republican fondness for less regulation + Bush family business = Gulf Oil Spill
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Old 06-08-2010, 10:37 AM
 
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Wow, man. It gets better when the left's anderson cooper chimes in.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: Spill reveals Obama's lack of executive experience | Washington Examiner (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Spill-reveals-Obama_s-lack-of-executive-experience-95819074.html#ixzz0qGxGvmiw - broken link)

Isn't it hilarious?

They elect a community organizer who has no executive experience at all and has never run a buisness ever. Wow- who would have ever thought that he would be an incompetent chief executive officer.

I guess the nation will be cured forever from electing Kenyan community organizers. The presidency is no place for amateurs, and Obama is a constant reminder of that fact. Let's hope the nation can survive his next two and a half years.
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Old 06-08-2010, 10:39 AM
 
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Stopping this oil spill is a technological problem, not a political problem. Minimizing the damage becomes a political issue when things like requests for permission to build sand berms are ignored or denied. BP was also using oil-eating bacteria but was told by the feds to stop because "it might be harmful to the wildlife". (Per a geologist friend of mine who has a 30+ year career in the oil industry.)

On another thread I posted my opinion that Obama was juggling political response in order to allow as much damage to occur as he could get away with in order to demonize Big Oil, advance his green agenda and beef up support for Cap and Trade. An opinion piece in yesterday's WSJ says the same thing:

Review & Outlook: Obama's Oil Crisis Politics - WSJ.com

"Never let a good crisis go to waste".
"Not too many weeks ago it looked as if President Obama's cap-and-tax program for energy was dead for this year. But with the political and media left whacking the President for his handling of the worst spill in U.S. history, Democrats have suddenly decided that this is one more crisis that shouldn't go to waste." WSJ

If Obama genuinely let this get out of hand, he should be impeached and thrown in jail.

DC might be excited about this for the potential of ramming cap and trade through, but the rest of the country is horrified at the devastation they are seeing. It's not just the GOP pointing their fingers at Obama's mis-management of the spill.
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Old 06-08-2010, 10:41 AM
 
Location: southern california
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the spill is so much like the katrina event with bush. but of course this is man made.
presidents are not responsible for hurricans and oil spills happening just how they are handled after they happen.
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Old 06-08-2010, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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It's also what an experienced General Manager does.
No, an experienced general manager does not let some third party do his job for him.

0bama is our president, he and he alone is ultimately tasked with managing his agencies and his staff. BP is not his trusted staff, nor a US federal agency. He let BP dictate to him, how big the spill was, and he let BP coordinate the civilian and federal efforts of containment, while he and the entire federal government were clueless as to the extent of the leak. This went on for weeks; then 0bama blames BP for leading him astray. He was only lead astray because he allowed himself to be lead astray.

0bama would be right to allow BP to do what they thought they needed to do, to plug the well, or help contain the oil spilling out. Ultimately though, its 0bama's responsibility to monitor BP's efforts, and get his own experts to assess the volume of oil leaking, and evaluate the containment efforts with federal, state and BP. Instead he sat back and was fat dumb and happy to act like a bystander. Which is why he is acting mad as hell, and looking for asses to kick, because he knows this reflects badly on him.
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Old 06-08-2010, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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the spill is so much like the katrina event with bush. but of course this is man made.
presidents are not responsible for hurricans and oil spills happening just how they are handled after they happen.
Exactly!

Plugging the deep water well is what BP does. Coordinating the efforts at containing the leaked oil on the ocean surface and protecting our country from a multi-state environmental catastrophe is what the federal government does. Overseeing, evaluating and keeping informed of all of this, and making timely decisions, is what the president does.
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Old 06-08-2010, 11:11 AM
 
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His lack of experience, lack of caring, lack of action, lack of emotion....
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Old 06-08-2010, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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No, an experienced general manager does not let some third party do his job for him.
What a dumb comment.

An experienced General Manager knows who his experts are and then delegates the authority to apply that expertise.

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0bama is our president, he and he alone is ultimately tasked with managing his agencies and his staff. BP is not his trusted staff, nor a US federal agency. He let BP dictate to him, how big the spill was, and he let BP coordinate the civilian and federal efforts of containment, while he and the entire federal government were clueless as to the extent of the leak. This went on for weeks; then 0bama blames BP for leading him astray. He was only lead astray because he allowed himself to be lead astray.
Another fleet of dumb comments. Nobody "dictated" how big the spill was. The spill is exactly as big as it actually is. To this very moment nobody knows how big it really is. The estimates from all sources still range wildly.

As to the "federal efforts of containment" I'd love for you to give a specific example on what should have been done differently. I personally know Thad Allen, and he would throw you off a cutter for suggesting that BP coordinated "the civilian and federal efforts of containment."

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0bama would be right to allow BP to do what they thought they needed to do, to plug the well, or help contain the oil spilling out. Ultimately though, its 0bama's responsibility to monitor BP's efforts, and get his own experts to assess the volume of oil leaking, and evaluate the containment efforts with federal, state and BP.
Which is exactly what occurred.
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Old 06-08-2010, 11:27 AM
 
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Unlike Bush with the Katrina catastrophe, the oil spill in the gulf was an unforeseen event that we (US militaty, Coast Guard, etc) do not have the technology in place to correct. This oil spill may as well be on the moon or in outer space because we just do not have the capability ourselves to stop the leak.

The frustration directed at President Obama is misplaced. Sometimes I seriously wonder if the talking heads think that Obama is supposed to dive down to the bottom of the ocean and cap the leak himself as if he's Aquaman or something.

And let's not forget the underlying equation of this disaster.....

BP + Oil (Greedy Profit Grabbing/unsafe cost cutting) + Republican fondness for less regulation + Bush family business = Gulf Oil Spill
Ha ha ha ha. Yes, Katrina was forseen. Yet many chose to stay. Not Bush's fault. The people living in NO knew that they are below water level, and that a hurricane could inflict major damage, yet they chose to stay, not Bush's fault. This is happening because the oil copmany has been forced to drill so far out and deep, that it makes things harder, when things do go bad. They cut corners, and the government looked the other way. Obama took a great deal of money from BP, and therefore shyed away from scolding them in the begining, now he has no choice, and can't sit on his hands, so he just talks big, like that's going to help. No, we do not expect that he dive down there, but at least pretend to care about these people and poor, poor birds.
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Old 06-08-2010, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Executive experience? Hasn't helped BP's CEO come up with a solution now has it?
you right, bp has failed so far in its efforts to cap the leak

and obama (his admin) has FAILed in doing the clean up and preventing the oil from comming ashore (his lane)
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