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Old 04-21-2008, 07:44 PM
 
Location: PSL, Tradition, FL unfortunately
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Yup Wendyb0077 it's turned into a nagging place of sorts because there are no rules and nothing but patches of grass and benches, no activities, no waste bags. So what turned into a nice place with 10 or so dogs turned into unmonitored attacks by uncontrollable dogs, kids ROLLING in the grass, and just basic chaos (people bringing too many dogs, not being able to handle them, not picking up after them). Half of the people have not been to dog parks before, have not neutered their dogs, and can not control their dogs. There's a lot of issues to be solved. There are a lot of GOOD people who refuse to come back. It's sad but it happens. Hopefully once it's moved it will be a real dog park with rules and a walking track to keep people moving instead of just sitting around nit picking. Believe me I spoke highly about tradition and the dog park (if you read my earlier posts) but it's small town mentality turned into anything but. I hope that our posts didn't disturb you too much however, this IS a forum so you will get positive and negative. At least people can be somewhat informed at the very least. It WAS very nice in the beginning before it got overcrowded and out of control. My apologies for the negativity, I wish there were more positives to focus on.
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Old 04-22-2008, 07:20 AM
 
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Yup Wendyb0077 it's turned into a nagging place of sorts because there are no rules and nothing but patches of grass and benches, no activities, no waste bags. So what turned into a nice place with 10 or so dogs turned into unmonitored attacks by uncontrollable dogs, kids ROLLING in the grass, and just basic chaos (people bringing too many dogs, not being able to handle them, not picking up after them). Half of the people have not been to dog parks before, have not neutered their dogs, and can not control their dogs. There's a lot of issues to be solved. There are a lot of GOOD people who refuse to come back. It's sad but it happens. Hopefully once it's moved it will be a real dog park with rules and a walking track to keep people moving instead of just sitting around nit picking. Believe me I spoke highly about tradition and the dog park (if you read my earlier posts) but it's small town mentality turned into anything but. I hope that our posts didn't disturb you too much however, this IS a forum so you will get positive and negative. At least people can be somewhat informed at the very least. It WAS very nice in the beginning before it got overcrowded and out of control. My apologies for the negativity, I wish there were more positives to focus on.
No need to apologize! It just seems that someone needs to take control of the dog park. Form a committee and get the rules and regulations under control. If people can't abide by them then take the privilege away!
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Old 04-22-2008, 08:38 AM
 
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Wendy, the problem is that according to the folks at Tradition (in the office I spoke to) there are rules. They just need to actually post them.

I know they are trying to keep it low key so people don't realize it's a dog park, but it is the first park I have ever been to with no rules posted. Even regular parks (like Indian Riverside Park) have rules and hours posted... Let alone a dog park! No hours, no signs for small dogs and big dogs on different sides, not a word about anything which can only lead people to assume their own or find out pseudo rules from misinformed folks.

I think a lot of things could be cleared up if a board with simple rules (hours, which side is for which, no DA dogs, watch your kids, etc.). Also maybe keeping a copy on hand of SLC pet laws (such as you must leash ANY breed before exiting as it is illegal to have an off leash dog in SLC no matter what breed they are or that you must have Rabies shot proof with you [which I am guilty of not having my dog wear his Rabies tag, oops]). All-in-all, I think Tradition causes the drama within simply by not having rules there.
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Old 04-22-2008, 11:51 AM
 
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Wendy, the problem is that according to the folks at Tradition (in the office I spoke to) there are rules. They just need to actually post them.

I know they are trying to keep it low key so people don't realize it's a dog park, but it is the first park I have ever been to with no rules posted. Even regular parks (like Indian Riverside Park) have rules and hours posted... Let alone a dog park! No hours, no signs for small dogs and big dogs on different sides, not a word about anything which can only lead people to assume their own or find out pseudo rules from misinformed folks.

I think a lot of things could be cleared up if a board with simple rules (hours, which side is for which, no DA dogs, watch your kids, etc.). Also maybe keeping a copy on hand of SLC pet laws (such as you must leash ANY breed before exiting as it is illegal to have an off leash dog in SLC no matter what breed they are or that you must have Rabies shot proof with you [which I am guilty of not having my dog wear his Rabies tag, oops]). All-in-all, I think Tradition causes the drama within simply by not having rules there.
The situation is a lawsuit waiting to happen! Posting rules is a protection to Tradition. They shouldn't have opened that park without rules and hours being posted. Hope it all works out! Thanks for all of your input. Wendy
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Old 04-22-2008, 05:36 PM
 
Location: Living in Paradise
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Wendy, the problem is that according to the folks at Tradition (in the office I spoke to) there are rules. They just need to actually post them.

I know they are trying to keep it low key so people don't realize it's a dog park, but it is the first park I have ever been to with no rules posted. Even regular parks (like Indian Riverside Park) have rules and hours posted... Let alone a dog park! No hours, no signs for small dogs and big dogs on different sides, not a word about anything which can only lead people to assume their own or find out pseudo rules from misinformed folks.

I think a lot of things could be cleared up if a board with simple rules (hours, which side is for which, no DA dogs, watch your kids, etc.). Also maybe keeping a copy on hand of SLC pet laws (such as you must leash ANY breed before exiting as it is illegal to have an off leash dog in SLC no matter what breed they are or that you must have Rabies shot proof with you [which I am guilty of not having my dog wear his Rabies tag, oops]). All-in-all, I think Tradition causes the drama within simply by not having rules there.
Rules are the key... What needs to be done so the city or county management gets the rules displayed?
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Old 04-22-2008, 08:49 PM
 
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I have been in contact with someone at Tradition. They said they are working on it. Just simple rules such as hours, number of dogs per person, keeping an eye on children, bringing the smaller dogs to one side, keeping overly aggressive dogs out, leashing before exiting, spay/neuter (thank God!), proper tags and they said no breed restrictions unless the county puts one in. As of right now BSL will not be voted on til April 09 and City of PSL/SLC officials have no plans to partake in BSL laws at this time even if it is passed next year.

I am very happy that Tradition is taking a step to make this great park a better place.
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Old 04-24-2008, 12:03 AM
 
Location: PSL, Tradition, FL unfortunately
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Do you mind if i ask where u are getting your info from nsmith, bc i get lots of info from many sources and the same sources have different info day to day. Basically they make things up as they go along to keep us at tradition happy. I have learned my info regading it currently being a private park (not public, not dog park) from those who are actually informed as far as I can tell and they have proved their knowledge. You keep saying that you've been in touch with "someone in tradition", who is this, and are they a key in decision making or fact relaying? There IS a sign outside that says beware of severe weather and supervise your children so it is not officially a "dog park", although it's built like one. Is the sign a way to get out of a possible insurance claim for a dog attack, (most likely!) Why bother putting up a sign at a "dog park" if it has nothing to do with dogparks. Tradition does not want the park advertised as such (but they allowed a petsmart across the street? Yeah bc word doesn't travel across the road?!?!).

I know you said in a post that you live in tradition, but I thought you had said several times to me and many other people that you did not, that you had an acre or so just outside. You've also said your dog is many different mixes, which I understand getting the negative feedback you've been accosted with. I apologize if you did recently move into tradition, I'm not trying to call you out I just want clarification of the truth. I've done my own research on wolf hybrid's and while i'll never own one bc of the intensive training involved , I don't judge you to own one and assume you to be aware and capable with having other dogs and children to be able to meet the needs of this breed (as with any breed until i am proven elsewise).I speak to the community council builders, the HOA board and the police department and it seems like it is completely different information from what you are getting. If someone were working on the dog park there would be AT LEAST doggie waste bags, not to make you mad, but my HOA and core builders will never say on the record that it is officially a dog park. They will only give me info on where it is being moved. It sounds like there would need to be supervision for all the rules you just well mentioned (which is normal at other dp's). I even talk to security and I have a friend in animal control. Security only opens and closes the gates dusk to dawn and animal control sends out an officer (both of whom i am friends with and one is a neighbor) to any complaints. I'm rather confused as to why we are getting completely different stories from the people in charge. I would love to know who you are in contact with so I can bring my questions to them and not you or here.

I am also very intrigued as to why you are so adamant on BRL? I assume its bc of the hybrid you bring to the park and the negative reactions you get. But you mention it in every post so it must hit a raw nerve with you. I'm sorry if it does, and i think most of it is not COMPLETELY wrong. From what I overhear, you having a wolf hybrid that will grow over 100 lbs and have the innate tendancies of a wolf, along with your other two dogs and your children being with u, people are worried that you may not be able to stop her if an innate attack occurred on her part. I know you are doing YOUR BEST to socialize her but you have to understand their thinking as well. They want the well being of all the CHILDREN(which don't belong at a DP, animals and humans at the park to be safe. I think when they move the DP it will solve a lot of issues. I'm not innocent myself, my one breed is a "herder" and I have spent the last 3 months with a specialist breaking him of this inbred habit. I don't bring him to the DP unless it's an off time and he's been run 5 miles so he's excercised and just wants to socialize. I can't wait to see this new park and who they let in and who gets banned, bc im sick of the cops coming AFTER an attack!!!! I'm sick of people not having TAGS. MY biggest fear is losing my babies, they can't speak how can people not put rabies, registration, and home address tags on their dogs??? It's SO simple, my dogs are NEVER without them. I Hope I didn't offend you, we are just getting completely different information and i want things clarified. I thought they were , but from your posts some one is telling you something different. As far as I'm concerned I lived in tradition before the dog park was built and the ONLY change i have ever seen is them turning on the plumbing to fill the water bowls. And that was THIS WINTER. Heck the benches aren't bolted down and the bolts in the benches are not capped or cut. I know a 93 pound dog that almost died after bumping into the bench and getting a 14 inch slice down his side from the sharp bolt end. His owner came back and capped the bolts himself!!!! SAFE PARK HUH?

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Old 04-24-2008, 07:43 AM
 
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I some of my information from one of the media contacts for Tradition as I work in the media part time, as well as for the county fulltime. Some of my information from Sheriff Crowder. Other information from Animal Control.

I do not own a Wolf Hybrid. I have had experience with them. I don't think that anything mixed with a Wolf or any other wild animal should be considered a domestic animal that one could get without a license. I know the person who you seem to think I am, but I'm not. I do live in Tradition. I wish I could live somewhere with acreage. I would never own a Wolf or Pit Bull or Chow or Rottie... All of the breeds that people don't like, but the only one that I have an issue with is a Wolf because it's a WILD ANIMAL.

I am a big on BSL as much as I would have been for Woman's Right's back then. I don't agree with it. I don't think anyone should be able to tell someone what they can or cannot own. There are a lot of people out there that I don't think should procreate, but I can't control that, so why should I be able to vote on what breed someone owns? I think it's all about civil liberties and freedom.

I am sure that you're getting info because you wanna hear it and I'm getting info because I wanna hear it. No one wants a resident pissed off. In the end I could care less who uses the park as long as they pick up after and keep an eye on their kids and pets.

Do I think they'll move it? No. Do I think they REALLY will post signs with rules and offically deeming it a dog park? No, because they didn't follow proper guidelines for building a "dog park". Do I think that eventually there will be some kind of issue there where the police are involved in and it makes it into the media? Absolutely. I truly believe it's an accident waiting to happen which is why I bring my old man (dog, but he's up there in age) very rarely anymore.

I'm sure if everyone went to someone in the PD or Tradition we'd all get different stories.
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Old 04-24-2008, 07:58 AM
 
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Oops, also regarding county leash laws you can go to the county website. It says no dog should ever be anywhere unleashed. So technically if we don't wanna call it a dog park then a SLC officer could come in and ticket everyone.
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Old 04-24-2008, 01:14 PM
 
Location: PSL, Tradition, FL unfortunately
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Nsmith I am so sorry. Re-reading your post I thought you said you had a problem with people NOT considering a wolf to be a domestic animal. Now I realize that you said you said you had a problem with someone considering a wolf TO be a domestic animal. My sincere apologies, I confused you with someone else who's wolf hybrid is growing rapidly. And I admire you for standing up for issues you believe in, too many people don't stand up for what they believe in (or don't bother to believe in anything).
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