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Old 05-12-2013, 08:36 PM
 
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It's a double edged sword. If Maine paid good wages (among other things), everything you stated that you liked would be gone. It's a combination of the perceived harsh winter, poor pay, being at the end (or beginning) of the transportation line, high cost of energy, etc., that keeps Maine the way it is.
and people wonder why the young people are leaving.

I can go down my facebook friends list with the people who have graduated college, my money is most of them have left the state. Low wages and the taxation level I guess are only attractive to retirees.
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Old 05-12-2013, 09:15 PM
 
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and people wonder why the young people are leaving.

I can go down my facebook friends list with the people who have graduated college, my money is most of them have left the state. Low wages and the taxation level I guess are only attractive to retirees.
I could not agree more with LordSquidworth....

Why it is such a good thing to have an impoverished state defies logic, for the newer generations of Mainers who chose to stay, or can't get out, are going to fall further and further behind.......
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Old 05-13-2013, 07:21 PM
 
Location: San Antonio , TX
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Portland is very nice town, I used to live there long time ago ( 95/96)
just now , I don't think it's affordable for average Joe

you see back in the day I used to rent 1BR apt in Sherman St. for $350/mt
a friend of mine was renting studio on Congress St right next to that coffee shop
"Coffee by Design" (dunno if it's still there) for $300/mt, Munjoy hill was cheap too
Today that apt at Sherman goes for $900 ( was considered bad part of town but I never had any problems)

entry level jobs were easy to find, I used to work at Barbers Food and Schlotterbeck & Foss , Shipyard brewery and bunch of others . I was changing them fairy quickly , but if you stick around you could make decent living . Some ppl I knew bought houses (just regular folks , blue collar , entry level ppl)
if they did not sold them , they did pretty good today

did not need a car everything was so close (Shop and Save was close plus bunch of deli shops)

yea, good old times

Fast forward to 2013 the guy just out of the high school w/o any experience would have very hard time in Portland

Still, love your town
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Old 05-15-2013, 07:59 PM
 
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I could not agree more with LordSquidworth....

Why it is such a good thing to have an impoverished state defies logic, for the newer generations of Mainers who chose to stay, or can't get out, are going to fall further and further behind.......
It's been the economic condition of Maine for a long time. The majority of 18-24 yr olds leave, especially those with degrees. Seattle has plenty of beauty and IMO plenty of "genuine" people. There's a lot to like and some things to love about both Seattle and Portland, Maine. Financial struggles can negate the pros of any locale. You have to make the choice. I doubt even the cost-of-living adjustments will put you ahead financially in Maine but that's a calculation only you can make (based on personal lifestyle and other details).

Hey- I know! There's a job probably opening up soon for Governor. It pays pretty well and given the incumbent's approval rate of 39%, I say go for it!
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Old 05-16-2013, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Nashua area, NH
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...Hey- I know! There's a job probably opening up soon for Governor. It pays pretty well and given the incumbent's approval rate of 39%, I say go for it!
Hah. You proved the point. The salaries in Maine do lag behind the rest of the Nation!

Salaries of governors around the nation:
New York -- $179,000
Illinois -- $177,500
Michigan -- $177,000
New Jersey -- $175,000
Virginia -- $175,000
Pennsylvania -- $174,914
California -- $173,987
Delaware -- $171,000
Tennessee -- $170,340
Washington -- $166,891
Connecticut -- $150,000
Maryland -- $150,000
Texas -- $150,000
West Virginia -- $150,000
Oklahoma -- $147,000
Kentucky -- $145,885
Ohio -- $144,269
Vermont -- $142,542
Nevada -- $141,000
Massachusetts -- $140,535
Georgia -- $139,339
Wisconsin -- $137,092
North Carolina -- $135,590
Missouri -- $133,821
Florida -- $130,273
Iowa -- $130,000
Louisiana -- $130,000
Alaska -- $125,000
Mississippi -- $122,160
Minnesota -- $120,303
Rhode Island -- $117,817
Hawaii -- $117,312
Idaho -- $115,348
South Dakota -- $115,331
New Hampshire -- $113,834
Alabama -- $112,895
Kansas -- $110,707
New Mexico -- $110,000
Utah -- $109,900
South Carolina -- $106,078
North Dakota -- $105,036
Nebraska -- $105,000
Wyoming -- $105,000
Montana -- $100,121
Arizona -- $95,000
Indiana -- $95,000
Oregon -- $93,600
Colorado -- $90,000
Arkansas -- $87,357
Maine -- $70,000
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Old 05-16-2013, 08:05 PM
 
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The bottom of yet another list. Maybe the position needs a raise. Last year's Forbes' list ranking Maine last in the nation for business is the worst "last" ranking of them all, IMO.

Perhaps Maine likes itself a little too much in some ways. It certainly seems to lack the ability to absorb construction criticism. This forum is full of overly positive info about how much better it is than everywhere else in the land (except for warning people that there are no jobs) and seems to push away any non-believers regardless of their objective and/or fact-based observations. It's a strange phenomenon.

LePage recently said publicly that he "most fears" the media, namely the state newspapers. Wow. How about fearing a lack of economic development and the ability to create jobs for future generations?

Governors come, and governors go. But unearned, over-active ego is a dangerous thing for a state, Mainers. Time to pull up from the rut. If you really love Maine, you know that change is necessary. "The Way Life Should Be" is a perfect example. Even the state motto is competitively arrogant yet undeserved. A little humility might be a productive leadership quality in the next governor.

Maine Leads List Of The Worst States For Business - Forbes
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Old 05-17-2013, 05:40 AM
 
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Not sure if it's been mentioned, we're also one of the highest taxed states, along with low salaries.
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Old 05-18-2013, 07:27 AM
 
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I could not agree more with LordSquidworth....

Why it is such a good thing to have an impoverished state defies logic, for the newer generations of Mainers who chose to stay, or can't get out, are going to fall further and further behind.......
If you aren't a native Mainer, you wouldn't or maybe couldn't understand....I've never known a Maine native who thinks Maine is impoverished.....pretty much anything that happens to Maine to make it more like the other states is viewed a bad thing. (Your words are that Maine is going to fall further and further behind--you couldn't possibly be a Maine native and type something like that.) If you can provide excellent paying jobs without interfering with all the things that Maine lovers love about Maine, then the natives might be willing to listen. Don't worry about the natives; we have a survivor instinct along with a Maine preservation instinct. I know native Mainers with high school educations who are millionaire entrepreneurs without changing Maine in any negative way--any way that a native Mainer would view as negative. People who move to Maine from away tend to have their own out-of-state perspective of seeing things. Those are the ones the natives aren't happy with. I looked up a few state income tax rates 7%, 7.5%, Maine 8.5%.....I'd rather pay 8.5% than have Maine resemble Maryland (for example) in any way. A friend who lives in MD was looking at your Forbes link. He says businesses are leaving MD in droves because of business-unfriendliness. Not that any Forbes data affects my opinion of Maine, but I think the Forbes data is flawed....can't believe everything you read ya know.

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Old 05-18-2013, 07:36 AM
 
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The bottom of yet another list. Maybe the position needs a raise. Last year's Forbes' list ranking Maine last in the nation for business is the worst "last" ranking of them all, IMO.

Perhaps Maine likes itself a little too much in some ways. It certainly seems to lack the ability to absorb construction criticism. This forum is full of overly positive info about how much better it is than everywhere else in the land (except for warning people that there are no jobs) and seems to push away any non-believers regardless of their objective and/or fact-based observations. It's a strange phenomenon.

LePage recently said publicly that he "most fears" the media, namely the state newspapers. Wow. How about fearing a lack of economic development and the ability to create jobs for future generations?

Governors come, and governors go. But unearned, over-active ego is a dangerous thing for a state, Mainers. Time to pull up from the rut. If you really love Maine, you know that change is necessary. "The Way Life Should Be" is a perfect example. Even the state motto is competitively arrogant yet undeserved. A little humility might be a productive leadership quality in the next governor.

Maine Leads List Of The Worst States For Business - Forbes
You are obviously not a native Mainer so as we read your derogatory post, we will consider the source of the rant. You sound like someone who moved to Maine and now lacks an acceptance of the state....if that's the case, go back to where you came from.
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Old 05-18-2013, 08:21 AM
 
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Hah. You proved the point. The salaries in Maine do lag behind the rest of the Nation!

Salaries of governors around the nation:
New York -- $179,000
Illinois -- $177,500
Michigan -- $177,000
New Jersey -- $175,000
Virginia -- $175,000
Pennsylvania -- $174,914
California -- $173,987
Delaware -- $171,000
Tennessee -- $170,340
Washington -- $166,891
Connecticut -- $150,000
Maryland -- $150,000
Texas -- $150,000
West Virginia -- $150,000
Oklahoma -- $147,000
Kentucky -- $145,885
Ohio -- $144,269
Vermont -- $142,542
Nevada -- $141,000
Massachusetts -- $140,535
Georgia -- $139,339
Wisconsin -- $137,092
North Carolina -- $135,590
Missouri -- $133,821
Florida -- $130,273
Iowa -- $130,000
Louisiana -- $130,000
Alaska -- $125,000
Mississippi -- $122,160
Minnesota -- $120,303
Rhode Island -- $117,817
Hawaii -- $117,312
Idaho -- $115,348
South Dakota -- $115,331
New Hampshire -- $113,834
Alabama -- $112,895
Kansas -- $110,707
New Mexico -- $110,000
Utah -- $109,900
South Carolina -- $106,078
North Dakota -- $105,036
Nebraska -- $105,000
Wyoming -- $105,000
Montana -- $100,121
Arizona -- $95,000
Indiana -- $95,000
Oregon -- $93,600
Colorado -- $90,000
Arkansas -- $87,357
Maine -- $70,000
Hah! Your list proves that Mainers are the most frugal in the U.S. The other states are overpaying their governors.
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