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Old 11-21-2012, 11:42 AM
 
Location: the Beaver State
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A slight expansion to the urban growth boundary or looking at building additional highway infrastructure doesn't concern as long as we're still preserving most of the farmland in the Willamette Valley. As much as I prefer urban living and don't have much interest in living in the suburbs--as the Portland Metro grows, it's crazy to think that everyone is going to prefer to live in dense, compact apartments in the central neighborhoods. There's a market for them, but there's also a market for single-family homes. I don't want us to turn into Phoenix with rows of now-vacant tract homes stretching off into the distance, but I think some growth is good for the area.
Oregon has rules governing how the UGB is expanded. Metro follows those very closely, in fact most of the land in the Portland area removed from the UGB in the past two decades has been in Washington County.
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Old 11-24-2012, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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What's that oddball chunk out by Cornelius. I saw a documentary on urban planning in the Portland metro. They showed a map with one contiguous area. And then this strange thing out to the west. People out there want some sort of change so some business can expand. I thought it strange that Metro was getting this request to cater to one business. But maybe it was more than that.
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Old 12-10-2012, 04:11 PM
 
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It is because the city thinks that everyone will ride Max, the trolly, or bike. It helps but fact is most people drive. And with the constant rain who the hell wants to ride their bike besides hardcore commuters? Road improvement is needed badly. We have the smallest freeways I have ever seen in any major city anywhere. It does not help that our drivers are the slowest and most unaware on the entire west coast.
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Old 12-10-2012, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Just outside of Portland
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Unaware?

If you are unaware driving around Portland, you or somebody else will quickly end up in the hospital.
There is enough of a mix of different types of transportation and low visability during the rains that you have to be aware just to drive down the street.
That's what makes Portland drivers drive slowly.

I don't know if it's possible to be clueless yet aware?

I agree with the rest of your post though!

Portland doesn't really make car commuting easy.
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Old 12-10-2012, 07:56 PM
 
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Portland doesn't really make car commuting easy.
Especially when they change streets up like they did a couple of years ago with Sandy/Burnside/Couch or change the names.

While I was waiting (and waiting) for the MAX at Pioneer Square Saturday, I was watching the traffic in that area snagging itself up mostly due to people not being patient. Normally, I would have driven down and parked in the Smart Park but (other than the 30+ minute MAX delay) watching traffic I was really glad I'd parked at Gateway!
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Old 12-10-2012, 07:58 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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"Slowest"? What does that mean? They actually drive according to the relevant traffic laws? How does "slowest drivers" represent any criticism? Two things allow driving slow. Dense settlement and leaving enough time to get to the destination. Inversely, buying in exurbia and inability to manage time produces impatient speeders. Sorry, but between the two lifestyles, the former seems the more rational and mature. I guess there probably is some sort of cultural bias against the rush-rush culture typical of some major metropolises. And it would be very wise for anyone who considers moving to decide if they are at all able to adapt to such a laidback culture. Beyond that, I'd not even bring it up in this kind of discussion. I'll bet I could find even MORE laid back drivers than Portland's. People often seek that out, you know. They don't seek the company of those caught in a perpetural adrenalin rush.
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Old 12-21-2012, 01:48 PM
 
Location: the Beaver State
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Traffic was lighter before the California invasion in the 60's.
Fixed that for you
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Old 12-21-2012, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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Fixed that for you
Weird. I lived there in the 60's and was unaware of any California invasion. I know it was feared. But I think it came later.
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Old 12-21-2012, 05:30 PM
 
Location: bend oregon
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theres been so many crashes on highway 99e and i205

today there was a crash on 99e in oregon city again
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Old 12-21-2012, 09:53 PM
 
Location: Myrtle Creek, Oregon
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Fixed that for you
I remember taking 217 from 99 to Beaverton right after they opened it. It was about 10 AM on a Sunday morning, and there weren't more than two dozen cars on the road all the way to Beaverton. The road was smooth as glass.

Things were always better in the Good Old Days
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