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[urbanlife78]

Originally Posted by psichick

Um, you just answered your own question. You, and everyone else, is going too slow for them. That's why they're going in and out of traffic to get ahead (regardless if they really are or not). Which, btw, if you do it right, you can get far ahead....but you have to do it right and play it perfectly. Guess he didn't. LOL.

If you are driving 10-20+mph faster than everyone else, then you are driving recklessly. Also mathematics says you aren't going to get much further ahead by driving 10mph faster than them unless you are driving over an hour.

[psichick]

Originally Posted by urbanlife78

If you are driving 10-20+mph faster than everyone else, then you are driving recklessly. Also mathematics says you aren't going to get much further ahead by driving 10mph faster than them unless you are driving over an hour.

My point still remains. You're going too slow for them. Just like the person you're going around probably thinks you're going too fast, for no reason, since they're right behind you too. Reckless or not, you're going too slow....to that person. And I highly doubt the person driving that fast was thinking, "oh dear, I'm driving recklessly, I should slow down." Trust me, they don't care.

My brother used to be one of those reckless drivers. I can tell you he doesn't care who ends up behind him and I can tell you there are times you'll never see him again because he's so far ahead of you.

And yes, math is math, but if you just take two people driving, one person can easily get to a destination in half the time than the other....due to their driving habits. My crazy brother is proof of that.

[urbanlife78]

Originally Posted by psichick

My point still remains. You're going too slow for them. Just like the person you're going around probably thinks you're going too fast, for no reason, since they're right behind you too. Reckless or not, you're going too slow....to that person. And I highly doubt the person driving that fast was thinking, "oh dear, I'm driving recklessly, I should slow down." Trust me, they don't care.

My brother used to be one of those reckless drivers. I can tell you he doesn't care who ends up behind him and I can tell you there are times you'll never see him again because he's so far ahead of you.

And yes, math is math, but if you just take two people driving, one person can easily get to a destination in half the time than the other....due to their driving habits. My crazy brother is proof of that.

If someone can reduce their drive time by half, then they shouldn't be allowed to drive due to being a danger to everyone on the road because one would basically have to drive double the speed limit.

[psichick]

Originally Posted by urbanlife78

If someone can reduce their drive time by half, then they shouldn't be allowed to drive due to being a danger to everyone on the road because one would basically have to drive double the speed limit.

You're thinking about this too linearly. My friend drives slow, speed limit in CA is slow, she doesn't change lanes and sticks to the slow lane on the freeway or the very right lane on streets. Me, I don't go in and out, but if someone is turning a right, I'll go around if I can. I am in the fast lane on the freeway. So, when we drive, I can get somewhere in half the time, because of the way we drive. I am not driving recklessly and she isn't holding up traffic. And so it goes for everyone on the road.

[urbanlife78]

Originally Posted by psichick

You're thinking about this too linearly. My friend drives slow, speed limit in CA is slow, she doesn't change lanes and sticks to the slow lane on the freeway or the very right lane on streets. Me, I don't go in and out, but if someone is turning a right, I'll go around if I can. I am in the fast lane on the freeway. So, when we drive, I can get somewhere in half the time, because of the way we drive. I am not driving recklessly and she isn't holding up traffic. And so it goes for everyone on the road.

You sound like you drive normal, therefore my statement wasn't referring to the way you drive.

[timfountain]

Originally Posted by psichick

You're thinking about this too linearly. My friend drives slow, speed limit in CA is slow, she doesn't change lanes and sticks to the slow lane on the freeway or the very right lane on streets. Me, I don't go in and out, but if someone is turning a right, I'll go around if I can. I am in the fast lane on the freeway. So, when we drive, I can get somewhere in half the time, because of the way we drive. I am not driving recklessly and she isn't holding up traffic. And so it goes for everyone on the road.

It is a linear problem. To arrive in 1/2 the time you have to drive double the speed that the other driver is averaging. If the slow lane driver is averaging 55, you'll need to drive an average of 110. It's not complicated and all the guff about lanes and so on is irrelevant, just look at the average speeds. Are you really going to keep to you assertion you get there in 1/2 the time? Maybe 10% less time if you are pushing it.

[psichick]

Originally Posted by timfountain

It is a linear problem. To arrive in 1/2 the time you have to drive double the speed that the other driver is averaging. If the slow lane driver is averaging 55, you'll need to drive an average of 110. It's not complicated and all the guff about lanes and so on is irrelevant, just look at the average speeds. Are you really going to keep to you assertion you get there in 1/2 the time? Maybe 10% less time if you are pushing it.

In your example, yes, mathematically that is correct. I completely agree that in order to get there in half the time, I'd have to go double my friend's speed. HOWEVER, what you're forgetting is that most people don't drive an average of 55. My car tells me my average and it isn't even 30mph. Most of my miles were put on in CA where I drive 50+ almost everywhere and a quarter of it was put on driving interstate and that was 80+++. So, if mine is barely 30, I can imagine that the average driver averages even less.


So, in my example with my friend, which is real-life, my top speed may hit 80, hers may hit 60. But when it comes down to it, her average may be 15 and mine is 30. Going double her average isn't hard to do, due to her driving habits. I don't have drive like a bat out of hell to get there faster and no, it's not 10%, it's 50%.

Pure math, I agree. But if you want to talk numbers in reality, then throw out real numbers. Averaging 55 is not real life driving (prof drivers may be an exception).

[urbanlife78]

Originally Posted by psichick

In your example, yes, mathematically that is correct. I completely agree that in order to get there in half the time, I'd have to go double my friend's speed. HOWEVER, what you're forgetting is that most people don't drive an average of 55. My car tells me my average and it isn't even 30mph. Most of my miles were put on in CA where I drive 50+ almost everywhere and a quarter of it was put on driving interstate and that was 80+++. So, if mine is barely 30, I can imagine that the average driver averages even less.


So, in my example with my friend, which is real-life, my top speed may hit 80, hers may hit 60. But when it comes down to it, her average may be 15 and mine is 30. Going double her average isn't hard to do, due to her driving habits. I don't have drive like a bat out of hell to get there faster and no, it's not 10%, it's 50%.

Pure math, I agree. But if you want to talk numbers in reality, then throw out real numbers. Averaging 55 is not real life driving (prof drivers may be an exception).

Your math still doesn't add up. I seriously doubt you get to places in half the time it takes your friend to get to the same places.

[psichick]

Originally Posted by urbanlife78

Your math still doesn't add up. I seriously doubt you get to places in half the time it takes your friend to get to the same places.

How does my math not add up? Isn't 30 twice as large as 15? Doesn't that mean half the time? So what takes me 5 mins, takes her 10? Sorry to inform you, but my math is just fine. I can't help it if you refuse to see the truth unless it smacks you upside the head. We can race if you want me to prove it to you. And I promise not to break 100.

I give. You win. You're right. I'm wrong. Even if I have lived the truth and you haven't. Thank you everyone for the time and patience, but I'm done with this thread.

Portlanders are obviously zombies.

[urbanlife78]

Originally Posted by psichick

How does my math not add up? Isn't 30 twice as large as 15? Doesn't that mean half the time? So what takes me 5 mins, takes her 10? Sorry to inform you, but my math is just fine. I can't help it if you refuse to see the truth unless it smacks you upside the head. We can race if you want me to prove it to you. And I promise not to break 100.

I give. You win. You're right. I'm wrong. Even if I have lived the truth and you haven't. Thank you everyone for the time and patience, but I'm done with this thread.

Portlanders are obviously zombies.

I doubt your friend drives 15mph on average in Portland, unless they only drive around downtown. I had an idiot in Jersey honk at me this morning because I did slam on the gas the moment the light turned green, be lucky the people in Portland are much more cautious drivers, it is much better than having everyone on the road be reckless drivers.