12-20-2016, 11:18 PM
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I'm a single mom (hubby passed away five years ago) of two kiddos and have rented in Portland for almost 20 years. Last year, I was finally in a position in to buy and was approved for an FHA loan with 15K cash. When I first started looking, the market was hot in the PDX area but not in the outlying areas as much (Oregon City and Milwaukie)..so I searched there. I was excited about what I was seeing and knew very soon I'd be putting in my first offer. But life caused a delay. Without going in to the entire story, my 2nd grader, who once had some pretty major anxiety issues, was having a horrible time in school and it caused me to realize I had to be careful where she ended up when I purchased a home. The houses I was finding fed into poorly rated schools. I considered a few small towns outside of the area with good school reviews..and so I was leaning in that direction and started visiting schools. These events unfolded over the course of months.
Finally, this past August, I found my dream school for her in Milwaukie (not sure how I missed it before!)...and she absolutely loves it and is thriving there now. Her issues vanished! So, clearly that was a good move on my part. BUT....by the time all this stuff panned out, the market in Milwaukie and Oregon City had changed considerably since I had first started looking. Suddenly, I'm seeing prices go up and bidding wars happening. I'm finally focused on exactly where I want to be but I feel like I'm too late. I was and am still finding homes in my price range but now instead of finding homes on quiet streets, as I had a year ago...I'm only finding homes on busy roads (double yellow lines) or, in one case, literally at the entrance to a high school parking lot. Ugh. Location is very important to me and I'm willing to sacrifice house size and other factors to get that..but still nothing. My realtor is telling me I'm only gonna get what I want by increasing my price point, of course.
My income has increased since last year and I can afford a higher payment but it makes me nervous to consider that because it's out of my comfort zone mentally. My rent went from 1300 to 1600 in two years but I don't pay water, which helps..but it took some time for me to accept this change. Based on what I know I can afford, my house payment would likely be between 1700 and 1800 to get into something decent that's not on a highway. We really need to get out of this rental because it's way too small for us and we just need a change. I sometimes look at rentals and frankly am finding that the rates are only slightly less if not the same as my house payment would be..although I know owning a home is more expensive but I cannot picture myself renting any longer.
But I feel so stuck. I cannot imagine pulling her out of this school and moving out of the area... but I also cannot imagine continuing to rent so she can remain there. I feel like I'm putting part of my life on hold. If we stay at this school, she'd be there till 8th grade..so we're not goin anywhere anytime soon. I realize I need to either bite the bullet and pay a higher house payment or just continue to pay slightly lower rent (although still expensive and not getting any cheaper).
Any suggestions, words of encouragement, similar experiences?? Thanks for listening to my woes...
12-21-2016, 12:53 AM
Location: Left coast
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so... you said your child was a 2nd grader- so thats 6 more years at this location, ideally?
Well in my experience, and from what I have seen in some very hot real estate markets (SF anyone?), people, over time get pushed out due to increasing rents and unaffordability of home prices.
House prices don't really tank in a tight real estate market.
You may find yourself getting pushed out of the area even if you choose to stay and rent- 6 years is a long time, and rents can
go up and by a lot.
Could you go creative and swing a higher house payment by having a roommate (thats what we did, and it ended up being a 20 year arrangement)...?
12-21-2016, 08:00 AM
Location: North Idaho
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........ My rent went from 1300 to 1600 in two years but I don't pay water, which helps..but it took some time for me to accept this change. Based on what I know I can afford, my house payment would likely be between 1700 and 1800 to get into something decent .........
So, how high will the rent be in two more years? If you get a fixed rate mortgage right now at $1700, how high will your mortgage payment be in two years?
12-21-2016, 09:17 AM
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Yeah Portland area rentals just keep climbing in price with no end in sight. Only way to get price stability is to buy. You need to compromise somewhere on the purchase or the rental market will make the decision for you and force you out of the entire Portland area in the not too distant future.
12-21-2016, 11:55 AM
Location: Lakewood OH
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Yeah Portland area rentals just keep climbing in price with no end in sight. Only way to get price stability is to buy. You need to compromise somewhere on the purchase or the rental market will make the decision for you and force you out of the entire Portland area in the not too distant future.
Unfortunately this is not an uncommon occurrence in Portland these days. Increasing COL especially in housing is causing people to be priced out of the area. Everyone wants to be near the best schools where their children are concerned. Unfortunately this causes the competition for available housing to be very strong.
OP, If you really wish to remain in Portland, you will have to find some sort of compromise like giving up the neighborhood you are hoping to buy into and choose one you can afford.
12-21-2016, 12:17 PM
Location: Portland OR
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While perhaps not a response you like, does it makes sense to consider leaving PDX?
If your skills are transferable to another location, it might be a good change. $ goes farther in many areas and sometimes a life change is good for the soul.
I do realize from your opening post that you experienced a sad life change 5 years ago and that this suggestion may not be right for you at this time.
But it could be.
Good luck!
12-21-2016, 05:06 PM
Location: Houston
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It is, so not snowing in Houston right now.
The Portland metro is pretty. The costs are high. As a previous poster stated have you considered another metro altogether? Apologies for asking.
I lived in Portland for years. I literally got priced out. More specifically priced into living in the same starter home forever (or leaving). My skill set transferred well and I ended up in Houston (north burbs). I lived in San Antonio for about 5 years and just couldn't put down roots. Houston has a better feel with the year round green and diverse culture. Home costs are at least 1/2 of Portland for comparison.
I am sure other people who have left the Portland metro over pricing can chime in.
I was in Portland in November scouting a possible move back. Nope, not gonna happen. I cannot reasonably justify the drop in quality of living to "come home".
12-21-2016, 05:36 PM
Location: Lakewood OH
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The Portland metro is pretty. The costs are high. As a previous poster stated have you considered another metro altogether? Apologies for asking.
I lived in Portland for years. I literally got priced out. More specifically priced into living in the same starter home forever (or leaving). My skill set transferred well and I ended up in Houston (north burbs). I lived in San Antonio for about 5 years and just couldn't put down roots. Houston has a better feel with the year round green and diverse culture. Home costs are at least 1/2 of Portland for comparison.
I am sure other people who have left the Portland metro over pricing can chime in.
I was in Portland in November scouting a possible move back. Nope, not gonna happen. I cannot reasonably justify the drop in quality of living to "come home".
Yes, I am one of those people as well. Over the time period of nearly 40 years, I kept moving from one part of Portland to another trying to stay ahead of the ever increasing rents. My last neighborhood was considered to be "undesirable" when I moved there. But after nearly 30 something years living there I was priced out as it became gentrified and trendy.
That's just the way it happens sometimes. Many people want to live in the more popular, highly touted cities in the US but cannot afford to. In the time I lived in Portland, I have watched many new transplants and some long-timers make an exodus from Portland because they couldn't keep up with the rapidly increasing COL.
This is a big country, there are lots of other choices. I'm very happy where I am now. My quality of living is so much better where I am now because I don't have to be constantly worrying about being priced out. It's like a big load has been lifted.
I would encourage the OP to find a place where she feels financially comfortable. I would imagine there are many places that have good schools but don't cost a fortune to live there.
12-21-2016, 06:00 PM
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40 years of renting? What drove you to rent that long rather than buy at some point and at least cash out on rise in house prices? That includes a few periods of time where anyone with a pulse could qualify for a mortgage.
12-21-2016, 06:03 PM
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The Portland metro is pretty. The costs are high. As a previous poster stated have you considered another metro altogether? Apologies for asking.
I lived in Portland for years. I literally got priced out. More specifically priced into living in the same starter home forever (or leaving). My skill set transferred well and I ended up in Houston (north burbs). I lived in San Antonio for about 5 years and just couldn't put down roots. Houston has a better feel with the year round green and diverse culture. Home costs are at least 1/2 of Portland for comparison.
I am sure other people who have left the Portland metro over pricing can chime in.
I was in Portland in November scouting a possible move back. Nope, not gonna happen. I cannot reasonably justify the drop in quality of living to "come home".
Co-signed. Not only are other metros much less expensive, but higher paying jobs are much more plentiful... meaning you win from both sides of the equation.
You also have to ask what is most important to you. If the "hip" scene and scenic beauty of PDX are really important to you, more so than economic progress and security... fine, make it work but you'll sacrifice the latter for the former.
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People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)