Sanctuary 2nd Amendment county in AZ (legal, weapons, conspiracy, March)

[keninaz]

I see the board did approve the Sanctuary 2nd Amendment County rule for Yavapai County.
Not sure what it all means as they say it has no legal weight.

[snebarekim]

Originally Posted by keninaz

I see the board did approve the Sanctuary 2nd Amendment County rule for Yavapai County.
Not sure what it all means as they say it has no legal weight.

It is a declaration of intent, and I support it 100%.

Look at recent developments in Virginia, and the response by many counties with similiar declarations to the draconian unconstitutional laws lofted by the recently elected politicians in that state, now in the control of anti 2nd amendment democrats.

That response has given the anti 2nd amendment governor pause, and he has requested that some of the legislation be tempered, vice just rubber stamping it as he would like.

It has also forced him into an uncomfortable position of being pushed for an answer when publically asked if he would use state national guard to enforce his new laws. He doesnt have the spine to answer that. Good.

The people of Yavapai county have sent a message to the state, and I like it. The message says "Don't tread on me".

[k2rider]

That's correct that it has no legal standing. If the Federal government ever passed new laws and really WANTED to enforce them, no "sanctuary city" vote is going to stop them. Heck, it may actually encourage them to start there to send a message.

I'm absolute NOT encouraging violence but I was actually hoping to see some "action" in Virginia that would force somebody's hand to see who "walking the walk" vs "talking the talk". As a retired police officer, I know the police as well as military officers all took an oath to uphold the Constitution so they have no business taking legally owned firearms from law abiding citizens. Of course the legislature there passed a law that police officers could be fired for not following orders to seize firearms which is what I want to see if they'll refuse and have it all play out in court. Of course the other side of that equation is if all those marchers "walk the walk", there WILL be bloodshed.

[Prescott_Pete]

The Virginia Senate committee considering the anti-gun bill passed by the state House has just shelved it, so it's now officially Dead Without the Dignity of Arrival.

Whether 2nd Amendment sanctuary county/municipality laws are valid doesn't necessarily matter. When you have something like 100 counties in a state passing 2nd Amendment sanctuary laws, vs. a handful of counties around metropolitan areas licking their chops at the thought of gathering up the guns from legal owners all over the state, the message will be clearly received that we live in a Constitutional representative republic, not a democracy under majority mob rule.

It's interesting that law-abiding citizens are now apparently in the minority in some states, and are being protected by the same Constitution that protected threatened racial and other minorities upwards of a few decades ago. God Bless America, indeed.

[slowlane3]

So... if doing background checks to identify convicted felons, constitutes "banning all guns"...then using that reasoning, I suppose youall must think that "Mother's against Drunk Driving" wants to "Ban all Cars."

[k2rider]

Originally Posted by slowlane3

So... if doing background checks to identify convicted felons, constitutes "banning all guns"...then using that reasoning, I suppose youall must think that "Mother's against Drunk Driving" wants to "Ban all Cars."

I realize your screen name is SLOWlane but where is "background check" mentioned one time in this thread?

[Prescott_Pete]

Originally Posted by slowlane3

So... if doing background checks to identify convicted felons, constitutes "banning all guns"...then using that reasoning, I suppose youall must think that "Mother's against Drunk Driving" wants to "Ban all Cars."

Federal law already requires background checks to prevent convicted felons from buying guns. Creating state laws duplicating that requirement is a complete waste of time. Criminals don't buy guns through legal means, they obtain them from other criminals, specifically to bypass things like background checks.

State laws against the sale of certain classes of guns are also unnecessary because federal law prohibits owning or acquiring things like machine guns (automatic weapons) and other heavy military arms such as grenades and launchers, mortars, artillery, etc.

"Assault-style" weapons aren't a defined class, and what some uninformed people think are military weapons, no one in their right mind would take into combat. That's not to mention they're used in less than one percent of all crimes - they're simply too unwieldy to use in typical crimes. Harassing law-abiding citizens who are guaranteed the right to bear arms isn't just barking up the wrong tree, it's barking in a treeless desert where there aren't even any other animals at which to bark.

Knee jerks are best left for doctors to administer with little rubber mallets.

[like-2-hike]

Originally Posted by k2rider

I realize your screen name is SLOWlane but where is "background check" mentioned one time in this thread?

Any particular reason you feel the need to belittle other posters? Is it too difficult to respond factually and politely to posts you have an issue with?

Originally Posted by Prescott_Pete

Federal law already requires background checks to prevent convicted felons from buying guns. Creating state laws duplicating that requirement is a complete waste of time. Criminals don't buy guns through legal means, they obtain them from other criminals, specifically to bypass things like background checks.

Does federal law require background checks for all purchases of firearms? Private party, gun shows, swap meets, etc.?

Just curious, since I've only ever bought at a dealer and obviously the background check was required...

[markg91359]

Originally Posted by Prescott_Pete

The Virginia Senate committee considering the anti-gun bill passed by the state House has just shelved it, so it's now officially Dead Without the Dignity of Arrival.

Whether 2nd Amendment sanctuary county/municipality laws are valid doesn't necessarily matter. When you have something like 100 counties in a state passing 2nd Amendment sanctuary laws, vs. a handful of counties around metropolitan areas licking their chops at the thought of gathering up the guns from legal owners all over the state, the message will be clearly received that we live in a Constitutional representative republic, not a democracy under majority mob rule.

It's interesting that law-abiding citizens are now apparently in the minority in some states, and are being protected by the same Constitution that protected threatened racial and other minorities upwards of a few decades ago. God Bless America, indeed.

I really am tired of paranoia. The idea that any restriction on firearms whatsoever is a "gun grab" or an attempt to totally eliminate the right to keep and bear arms. I am actually a gun owner myself. I'm just not silly enough to think that laws against eight year old's having guns are somehow unconstitutional.

If you want to believe crap like that I guess no one can stop you. I don't live my life based on delusional conspiracy theories. BTW, I think our current president is a ****ty leader.

There are real issues this election. Your attempt to fabricate one is unimpressive.

[bigdogmom13]

Originally Posted by markg91359

I really am tired of paranoia. The idea that any restriction on firearms whatsoever is a "gun grab" or an attempt to totally eliminate the right to keep and bear arms. I am actually a gun owner myself. I'm just not silly enough to think that laws against eight year old's having guns are somehow unconstitutional.

If you want to believe crap like that I guess no one can stop you. I don't live my life based on delusional conspiracy theories. BTW, I think our current president is a ****ty leader.

There are real issues this election. Your attempt to fabricate one is unimpressive.

This x 1000.