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Old 05-14-2020, 06:32 PM
 
Location: Prescott Valley, AZ
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E-mailed them when SH-69 in PV will be repaired among other suggestions I have for the highway. This is what I get.

My response:

Hello,

Regarding highway 69 in Prescott Valley, when is this section going to be repaved within the city limits? The quality of the pavement is degrading at an alarming rate and its not pleasant to drive on.
Secondly, why does ADOT not construct or repair state highways in concrete? Is it a financial cost, or some other type of reason that doesn't allow it? Would like to see it done on a few highways in the state. Concrete tends to last longer to wear and tear to higher volumes of traffic compared to asphalt.
Lastly, would it make sense to redo highway 69 at below grade? Having it go beneath Glassford Hill Rd, Windsong Rd, Robert Rd and Navajo Dr would reduce traffic. Those major local streets could be made into overpasses.


Their response:

Good morning,

Thank you for contacting our ADOT office. State Route 69 through Prescott Valley is scheduled to be micro-sealed, which protects against erosion and extends the life of the pavement, next year. With respect to your questions concerning use of concrete, the main reason ADOT does not use more concrete to construct or repair the roadway is the higher costs and the traffic volumes which do not warrant the expense. ADOT also receives complaints from residents about the noise associated with concrete pavement.
Converting State Route 69 to a grade separated, controlled access roadway is very expensive and funding would not be made available. ADOT also has to take into consideration the access to local streets and businesses. In addition, ADOT has received push back from towns when this issue has been discussed.
Thank you again for contacting our ADOT office.


For the concrete aspect, has ADOT ever heard of grooved concrete? Texas, Utah, Colorado and other states do this to their busy highways. It reduces noise, improves the ride and safety for travelers. Come on ADOT, get with the program!
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Old 05-14-2020, 07:11 PM
 
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Wait they aren't doing anything to 69 til next year? Thats nuts. And if 69 traffic doesn't warrant concrete what does?
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Old 05-14-2020, 07:21 PM
 
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And if 69 traffic doesn't warrant concrete what does?


Interstates
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Old 05-14-2020, 08:57 PM
 
Location: Prescott Valley, AZ
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Interstates
Shouldn't be only based on interstates. High volume streets are also important, which is why I e-mailed ADOT in the first place. Highway 69 is a mess, and needs more attention than a band-aid solution. From what the replied e-mail 'ADOT also receives complaints from residents about the noise associated with concrete pavement' is a poor excuse. Grooved concrete exists for that purpose.

Secondly, Highway 69 can be constructed below grade, its a feasible solution. ADOT doesn't have the adequate funds, even if they did it wouldn't be on their top priority because most of the funding goes to Maricopa county. If more people locally complained to ADOT, changes would be made but that's not happening because they're apparently satisfied with mediocre work in my humble opinion.
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Old 05-14-2020, 09:56 PM
 
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Im just stunned they think that roads getting through another summer and winter. Maybe it doesnt get busy interstate traffic but it gets a TON of traffic
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Old 05-15-2020, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Prescott Valley, AZ
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Concrete roads are loud and annoying. And riding a motorcycle on grooved concrete is very discomforting.
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Old 05-15-2020, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Prescott Valley, AZ
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Concrete roads are loud and annoying. And riding a motorcycle on grooved concrete is very discomforting.
Driving a loud motorcycle is annoying too along with the wind noise. My point is, ADOT is cheap and needs to come up with better solutions than a band-aid quick fix.
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Old 05-15-2020, 12:41 PM
 
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Are there 100 people in the area still capable of riding a motorcycle? They can barely drive cars
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Old 05-15-2020, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Prescott Valley, AZ
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Driving a loud motorcycle is annoying too along with the wind noise. My point is, ADOT is cheap and needs to come up with better solutions than a band-aid quick fix.
ADOT is simply budgeting their resources. They have a limited budget and I would argue that they generally do a pretty good job given their budget versus other states. The AZ gas tax, which helps pay for roads was never indexed to inflation and has not increased in 30 years. Try living on the money that you earned in 1991. If you would like better roads, then email your AZ legislators to increase the gas tax to give ADOT more money.
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Old 05-16-2020, 12:54 AM
 
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ADOT is simply budgeting their resources. They have a limited budget and I would argue that they generally do a pretty good job given their budget versus other states. The AZ gas tax, which helps pay for roads was never indexed to inflation and has not increased in 30 years. Try living on the money that you earned in 1991. If you would like better roads, then email your AZ legislators to increase the gas tax to give ADOT more money.
ADOT is allotted enough funding to maintain the existing highways & freeways, but their problem is they don't know how to budget it efficiently. A good example is precisely what Hschlick84 is referring to: they use cheap rubberized asphalt which frequently chips & cracks. This has been a multi million dollar boondoggle, especially in Maricopa County where they poured that asphalt on top of the concrete freeways. Concrete has a much greater lifespan, whereas the rubberized asphalt needs replacing every few years because of its poor quality.

Don't make excuses for ADOT. They base their budgets on good economic periods and don't allow for downturns in the economy, which brings up another point. The last 5 years or so have been some of the best in AZ history as far as the economy is concerned. Even then, they still made excuses as to why they couldn't complete some of the proposed projects. During recessionary periods, their excuses multiply. I've been around long enough to know how awful ADOT can be. Concrete can & should be used for permanent surfacing ... and quite frankly, I don't care how loud & annoying it is to your sensitive ears. It has a much greater quality which translates to less maintenance (cost savings) in the big picture.
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