Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Sports > Pro Football
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 11-17-2017, 09:16 AM
 
Location: North Raleigh x North Sacramento
5,822 posts, read 5,627,677 times
Reputation: 7123

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dissenter View Post
Two definite shoulds in my eyes. Ben McAdoo for losing his locker room. Marvin Lewis since he will have 15 years with no playoff wins.
This board and certain sports media personalities have an odd affection for Lewis for some reason. He's WAAAYYY overdue...

The Bengals hadn't won eight games in a year for seven years (1996) before Lewis came. They had only won eight total games between '02 and '01, and Lewis comes in and posts back-to-back eight win seasons his first two years, then he wins the division and takes the franchise to the playoffs for the first time since 1990, in 2005. Great start to the Lewis era, he's bought mayne two bad seasons, right? Considering where the organization was for 15 years before him...

In 2006 and 2007 he misses the playoffs both years, there go your two bad years, Marv. Win the division or make the playoffs next year, or else. 2008 was the worst year of the Lewis era, 4-11-1. This is the very first time he deserved to be fired. Six seasons, one playoff appearance, back to the division cellar. Let's go find a better coach...

Everything after that should have been a one for one, max. He won division and made playoffs in '09 (0-2 playoffs), but won just four games in '10. Fire his ass! But noooo...

The third playoff loss in 2011 is what should have awakened the front office. It's nice to make the playoffs (three times in nine years). It's not okay to lose every year we make it. You better win next year...then he goes one and done in each if the next four years. How many losses does a guy have to have to cut the cord?

I guess in a since, he validated the organization's patience and trust in him, for missing the playoffs 5 of his first 6 years, by making the playoffs five years in a row this decade. But he's never been elite, his team's have often had discipline and image issues, he coaches horribly in the playoffs and his team often plays worse. If we want to be an elite franchise, instead of just a perennial playoff team, we have to put the people in position to take us there and 86 the guys who can't...

The Bengals have long told us it's okay to just make the playoffs...
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 11-24-2017, 07:22 AM
 
3,734 posts, read 2,558,693 times
Reputation: 6784
Understood, Jackson is working in a bad situation in Cleveland, and a head coaching change may not improve anything.. but Jackson's record in Cleveland is now 1-25. Total head coaching record (including Oakland) is 9-33 (source- Pro Football Reference).
With no signs of improvement, I'm assuming the Jackson experiment is close to over (?).. Sorry situation for a great football town.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-24-2017, 07:40 AM
 
939 posts, read 505,671 times
Reputation: 825
Everyone always jumps up and down when a head coach either loses too much, and automatically the answer is he should be fired (regardless of whether there is an alternative in mind), or the team surprisingly wins, and suddenly he must be coach of the year. Watching Dallas play in recent years, whether they are hot or cold, I can confidently state that Jason Garrett is awful. Usage of the clock, time outs, and any sort of innovative offensive play calling to adapt to the opponents strength or to alleviate your own shortcomings, the guy is clueless. Whether Dallas was in the midst of a 14-2 season, or in the mess they're in now, Garrett is terrible.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-24-2017, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
23,766 posts, read 29,048,781 times
Reputation: 37337
Quote:
Originally Posted by Babe_Ruth View Post
Understood, Jackson is working in a bad situation in Cleveland, and a head coaching change may not improve anything.. but Jackson's record in Cleveland is now 1-25. Total head coaching record (including Oakland) is 9-33 (source- Pro Football Reference).
With no signs of improvement, I'm assuming the Jackson experiment is close to over (?).. Sorry situation for a great football town.
what will continue to hamper Cleveland with both coaching and free agents is that anyone worth their salt will probably have an equal opportunity to sign on somewhere else with a better organization always forcing Cleveland into filling their vacancies with front-office and coaching hand-me-downs that nobody else wants, which leads to decisions such as signing the Johnny Manziels and passing on the Carson Wentz's of the world.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-27-2017, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
27,798 posts, read 32,427,246 times
Reputation: 14611
Dirk Koetter for all practical purposes is done.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-27-2017, 02:44 PM
 
Location: VA
796 posts, read 505,238 times
Reputation: 327
Bucs, Raiders and Cowboy coaches all should be on a seat that's heating up...big decline from last year.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-29-2017, 02:05 PM
 
18,323 posts, read 10,658,251 times
Reputation: 8602
Bears

Giants

Tampa

Browns(maybe)

Raiders

Miami

Ravens
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-29-2017, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Greensboro, NC
5,922 posts, read 6,466,965 times
Reputation: 4034
Quote:
Originally Posted by G1.. View Post
Bears

Giants

Tampa

Browns(maybe)

Raiders

Miami

Ravens
I'm surprised someone thinks John Harbaugh would get fired from the Ravens.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-29-2017, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Huntersville/Charlotte, NC and Washington, DC
26,699 posts, read 41,733,093 times
Reputation: 41381
Quote:
Originally Posted by G1.. View Post
Bears

Giants

Tampa

Browns(maybe)

Raiders

Miami

Ravens
I agree with all but the last three.

Raiders - Jack gets another year based on last year being their first playoff appearance in years.

Miami - I think Gase isn't the problem. The GM who thought it was a good idea to sign Cutler and trade Adaji is a bigger problem IMO. Think the Dolphins fare better if Tanenehill don't get hurt.

Ravens - Flacco is a bigger problem IMO and they are showing slightly enough life to save Harbaugh for another year.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-29-2017, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Iowa
14,321 posts, read 14,616,693 times
Reputation: 13763
Harbaugh isn't going anywhere and would be hired somewhere else if he was. Ravens front office, the money they gave Flacco more of an issue than the coach.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Sports > Pro Football
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:35 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top